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       Congratulations to Britain, job well done.
       By: NealC Date: July 11, 2019, 6:49 am
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       A British Frigate interspersed itself between 5 Iranian gunboats
       and a British oil tanker this morning, forcing the Iranians to
       break contact under threat of fire. The Iranians were attempting
       to take the tanker, in retaliation for Britain boarding and
       halting an Iranian oil shipment to Syria last week.  Very
       professional maneuvering, no one got trigger happy, job well
       done.
  HTML https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9482610/iran-standoff-royal-navy-oil-tanker/
       Here in the U.S. we are hopeful that Europe is taking this all
       in and realizing who we are dealing with in Iran.  Britain was
       enforcing an EU sanction by stopping the Iranian oil shipment to
       Syria, this isn't just US saber rattling screwing things up
       again.  If the Iranians close the strait it is European and
       Japanese oil that gets screwed up, not ours.
       I always wanted to be a Frigate Captain if I went to sea.
       Frigates are where the action is :-)
       #Post#: 17804--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Congratulations to Britain, job well done.
       By: Truman Overby Date: July 11, 2019, 7:21 am
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       It'll be interesting to see if this is called fake, as the
       missile attack on the Japanese tanker was by most of the people
       on here.
       As I recall, the members told us that the U.S. blamed the
       Iranians in order to provoke war.
       Actually, I think it was the incident with the U.S. drone being
       shot down.
       #Post#: 17854--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Congratulations to Britain, job well done.
       By: Alharacas Date: July 11, 2019, 6:03 pm
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       [quote author=The Artist formerly known as Truman Overby
       link=topic=1219.msg17804#msg17804 date=1562847702]
       It'll be interesting to see if this is called fake, as the
       missile attack on the Japanese tanker was by most of the people
       on here.
       As I recall, the members told us that the U.S. blamed the
       Iranians in order to provoke war.
       [/quote]
       Jerry, a) not "members", as far as I recall. Just me. And b)
       what I actually said was that if I were a third party (it's not
       as if there were any lack of countries/organizations to choose
       from, as far as I can see), I might think it a brilliant idea to
       make the US believe Iran had been the one attacking these ships.
       See the difference?
  HTML https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/have-us-imposed-sanctions-ever-worked-20428
       tl;dr
       Sanctions don't work when a) it's a big country and/or b)
       there's quite a lot of antipathy towards the country imposing
       the sanctions, anyway. In the latter case, they serve to
       actually strenghten the regime.
       Sanctions do work when it's a) a small country and/or b) a
       friend/ally of the country imposing the sanctions.
       What sanctions against Iraq used to achieve and what sanctions
       against Iran are achieving: to really, really hurt the general
       population. Those who don't have any say at all in what their
       government does or doesn't do. They will actually die because of
       the lack of medical supplies.
       Side note (my own): Something that's never been known to happen
       to those in power.
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