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#Post#: 17481--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trump might get voted out of office next year, in 2020 MOVED
FROM General Discussion
By: Truman Overby Date: July 5, 2019, 8:40 pm
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Re: anyone clutching their pearls about Trump's "narcissism and
immorality" Will you please name one, just one will do, U.S.
president who isn't a narcissist with questionable morals? Barry
Obama reeked of narcissism. In nearly every pic you see of this
guy he is literally looking down his nose at people. That's
superiority and narcissism, folks. This is a guy who never held
a job outside government in his life yet lectured business
owners about how they didn't build that, to use his words.
But back to the point, please name for me one nice guy who has
captured the White House. Soft, delicate, namby pamby men don't
get elected president of any country. So please, let's cut the
myth of everyone's favorite uncle or Sunday school teacher as
the ideal US president. Hasn't happened. Won't happen. And I'm
glad for that. I don't want some lilly-liveried girly-man for
president. Obama had a touch of that ( ever see him in his tight
Mom jeans and his little boy helmet while riding a bike?
Disgusting. ) Look for it, the picture is out there. He was even
sucking on an ice cream cone. Ridiculous and embarrassing.
Meanwhile, why don't you take a break from the net, Steve?
You're in your heaven on earth, right? You should enjoy it, soak
it all up. It'll be a good inoculation for your return to this
hell hole, as you call it.
#Post#: 17486--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trump might get voted out of office next year, in 2020 MOVED
FROM General Discussion
By: NealC Date: July 5, 2019, 9:39 pm
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Ok so the big difference between the 1940's and 1960's, let me
change one sentence.
Bomb Germany and Japan back to the stone age and have them
barely halfway through recovery...
Does that help? As usual you are avoiding the point.
#Post#: 17487--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trump might get voted out of office next year, in 2020 MOVED
FROM General Discussion
By: SHL Date: July 5, 2019, 10:45 pm
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[quote author=The Artist formerly known as Truman Overby
link=topic=1200.msg17481#msg17481 date=1562377217]
Re: anyone clutching their pearls about Trump's "narcissism and
immorality" Will you please name one, just one will do, U.S.
president who isn't a narcissist with questionable morals? Barry
Obama reeked of narcissism. In nearly every pic you see of this
guy he is literally looking down his nose at people. That's
superiority and narcissism, folks. This is a guy who never held
a job outside government in his life yet lectured business
owners about how they didn't build that, to use his words.
But back to the point, please name for me one nice guy who has
captured the White House. Soft, delicate, namby pamby men don't
get elected president of any country. So please, let's cut the
myth of everyone's favorite uncle or Sunday school teacher as
the ideal US president. Hasn't happened. Won't happen. And I'm
glad for that. I don't want some lilly-liveried girly-man for
president. Obama had a touch of that ( ever see him in his tight
Mom jeans and his little boy helmet while riding a bike?
Disgusting. ) Look for it, the picture is out there. He was even
sucking on an ice cream cone. Ridiculous and embarrassing.
Meanwhile, why don't you take a break from the net, Steve?
You're in your heaven on earth, right? You should enjoy it, soak
it all up. It'll be a good inoculation for your return to this
hell hole, as you call it.
[/quote]
I know. Now I’m truly free.
Anyway, aside from that, Jimmy Carter was a nice guy.
#Post#: 17488--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trump might get voted out of office next year, in 2020 MOVED
FROM General Discussion
By: SHL Date: July 5, 2019, 10:52 pm
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[quote author=NealC link=topic=1200.msg17486#msg17486
date=1562380798]
Ok so the big difference between the 1940's and 1960's, let me
change one sentence.
Bomb Germany and Japan back to the stone age and have them
barely halfway through recovery...
Does that help? As usual you are avoiding the point.
[/quote]
Na, the recovery period started in the late 1940s, and was kind
of half recovered in the 1950s. I‘ll give you that. But, by
around the early-mid-1960s onward they were doing pretty well.
By ´69 Japanese electronics and cameras were flooding the
market. Their cars hadn’t made it yet but were close (like the
´73 Honda Civic). We all know what an impact the VW Beetle had
in the 60s. They were everywhere.
The US is heading back to the Stone Age itself, on its own. Like
Dayton, Ohio. That place is a disaster zone. No supermarkets in
all of West Dayton? What is THAT? All you can get is Mikky-Ds?
How to die young. Stray dogs running around all over the place,
like the whole place just got bombed or something. How pathetic.
That’s Trumps idea of „doing great.“ $12.00/ jobs with no
benefits (no health insurance, no pensions, no paid time off, no
nothing. No better than 1919. And this is supposed to be 2019?)
And, then what do you Republican guys say? „Oh you Californians
are all Democrats, solid blue, you‘re hopeless cases so your
vote doesn’t count. We sure don‘t what you guys electing the
President. God forbid enter into the 21st Century. We want real
Americans like those folks in Dayton electing a President. They
know how to get it right. They may be living in shacks, but at
least they’ve got Old Glory flying out front on the porch.“
#Post#: 17496--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trump might get voted out of office next year, in 2020 MOVED
FROM General Discussion
By: NealC Date: July 6, 2019, 5:49 am
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You're on vacation, so you can prance around all you want. But
you are still deliberately avoiding the point.
In the Obama era, that factory would have been built in China
and traded under most favored nation status, or Mexico and
traded under NAFTA.
It is working, and you do not have the intellectual honesty to
admit it.
#Post#: 17500--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trump might get voted out of office next year, in 2020 MOVED
FROM General Discussion
By: Truman Overby Date: July 6, 2019, 7:33 am
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[quote author=SHL link=topic=1200.msg17487#msg17487
date=1562384710]
[quote author=The Artist formerly known as Truman Overby
link=topic=1200.msg17481#msg17481 date=1562377217]
Re: anyone clutching their pearls about Trump's "narcissism and
immorality" Will you please name one, just one will do, U.S.
president who isn't a narcissist with questionable morals? Barry
Obama reeked of narcissism. In nearly every pic you see of this
guy he is literally looking down his nose at people. That's
superiority and narcissism, folks. This is a guy who never held
a job outside government in his life yet lectured business
owners about how they didn't build that, to use his words.
But back to the point, please name for me one nice guy who has
captured the White House. Soft, delicate, namby pamby men don't
get elected president of any country. So please, let's cut the
myth of everyone's favorite uncle or Sunday school teacher as
the ideal US president. Hasn't happened. Won't happen. And I'm
glad for that. I don't want some lilly-liveried girly-man for
president. Obama had a touch of that ( ever see him in his tight
Mom jeans and his little boy helmet while riding a bike?
Disgusting. ) Look for it, the picture is out there. He was even
sucking on an ice cream cone. Ridiculous and embarrassing.
Meanwhile, why don't you take a break from the net, Steve?
You're in your heaven on earth, right? You should enjoy it, soak
it all up. It'll be a good inoculation for your return to this
hell hole, as you call it.
[/quote]
I know. Now I’m truly free.
Anyway, aside from that, Jimmy Carter was a nice guy.
[/quote]
As I knew you would, you trotted out smiling Jinmy Carter. Never
mind the fact that he was the worst president up to that time.
Record unemployment, high gas prices, 20% inflation, electricity
rationing. The list goes on. This is what a nice guy does when
given the reins of power. Fortunately Reagan rode in to save the
day. With Reagan we had the largest peacetime economic boom in
history. Facts. You can keep your nice, smiling peanut farmer.
I'll take a real man as head of the U.S. any day. This is
something that the Canadians are painfully learning at the
present time. Facts.
#Post#: 17503--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trump might get voted out of office next year, in 2020 MOVED
FROM General Discussion
By: NealC Date: July 6, 2019, 9:09 am
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In case you were listening to German radio on election night
2016, those folks from Dayton and the rest of the Rust belt were
the ones who made Trump President, while California went down
kicking and screaming into impotency. Pennsylvania, Ohio,
Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin all went for Trump, the last two
being a particularly sharp slap in Hilary's face. They went for
Trump because the common working man knows Trump is right on
trade and immigration, and he knows the Democratic establishment
has sold themselves out.
#Post#: 17567--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trump might get voted out of office next year, in 2020 MOVED
FROM General Discussion
By: SHL Date: July 7, 2019, 2:31 pm
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[quote author=NealC link=topic=1200.msg17503#msg17503
date=1562422190]
In case you were listening to German radio on election night
2016, those folks from Dayton and the rest of the Rust belt were
the ones who made Trump President, while California went down
kicking and screaming into impotency. Pennsylvania, Ohio,
Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin all went for Trump, the last two
being a particularly sharp slap in Hilary's face. They went for
Trump because the common working man knows Trump is right on
trade and immigration, and he knows the Democratic establishment
has sold themselves out.
[/quote]
It is pathetic that the Rust Belt gets to elect the President.
That’s the anti-democratic system we have in the US called the
electoral college, that some bean-brains in the 18th century
dreamed up. Now we are stuck with it.
I understand the logic of trying to lure Chinese billionaires to
Ohio and avoid the tariffs and damming up a flow of immigrants,
but $12.50/hr wages to guys who a few decades ago made $36/hour?
You ought to be able to make $12.50/hour running a Limonade
stand. How is anyone supposed to live on that? And what a slap
in the face to people who used to make triple that?
That’s really pretty pathetic. Even if you see this as a victory
for Trump´s policies, it‘s a very marginal one at best. If it’s
really his policies that did this, the best anyone can say is he
put Dayton on economic life support without really accomplishing
much.
They don’t have this problem in the EU. The wages and benefits
are high and the products are built locally.
Taxing the super-rich at much higher rates, cutting military
spending and redistributing the wealth is one way to go. The EU
does this and it works (but surprisingly the overall tax burden
on the middle class is about the same in the EU as the US, but
the US taxpayer gets nothing for it in return). And, middle
income citizens in the EU get more of their tax money coming
back to them in real benefits, not the imaginary benefits of a
better bombing system for the military.
If increasing funding to an already bloated military, when the
military isn’t even asking for more money, and decreasing taxes
on the mega rich aren’t helping, maybe trying doing the opposite
would be the solution. But luring minimum wage jobs back and
claiming the economy is „doing great“ is simply untrue.
#Post#: 17569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trump might get voted out of office next year, in 2020 MOVED
FROM General Discussion
By: Truman Overby Date: July 7, 2019, 2:49 pm
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The political system is designed to keep people in a state of
constant turmoil. I'm trying to keep that in mind. Who needs
that kind of stress? I don't. And I would guess that you don't
either.
#Post#: 17580--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trump might get voted out of office next year, in 2020 MOVED
FROM General Discussion
By: Alharacas Date: July 7, 2019, 4:15 pm
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Hopefully, everybody realizes how great this is - we couldn't
have had a better mix of US members if we'd tried. And no, I'm
not being ironic here.
We're getting a running commentary on US politics from every
conceivable angle, with Steven and Jerry at opposite ends of the
horseshoe (therefore actually quite close together ;) ), and
Neal and Susan a lot further towards the middle, but still kind
of opposite each other - wonderful!
The only thing I'm missing right now is Susan's take on the
full-employment-at-minimum-wage question - Susan?
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