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       #Post#: 16799--------------------------------------------------
       The F-word
       By: Alharacas Date: June 13, 2019, 4:17 am
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       My newsfeed dropped this article from a Swiss newspaper into my
       lap this morning:
  HTML https://geschichtedergegenwart.ch/mein-anfuehrer-die-unfreiwillige-wahrheit-einer-vorsilbe/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
       The title reads "Mein #Anführer. The involuntary truth of a
       prefix."
       The author makes quite a convincing argument for the over-use of
       words like "leader" or "dirigéant"  being indicative of growing
       autoritarian trends within democracies all over the world - even
       though I'm sure many of you will disagree with her choice of
       examples. ;)
       However, on the linguistic level, I strongly disagree with her.
       Actually, I'd even say she contradicted herself quite obviously.
       In order to make the point that the German word Anführer (Führer
       having fallen in disuse for obvious historical reasons) smacks
       of crime and/or rebellion, she gives the examples of
       Rädelsführer, Gangchef  ??? und Bandenführer (leader of the
       pack, gang leader). Spot the mistake? There is no prefix "an-"
       anywhere in sight in these examples, is it? That's for the very
       good reason that an Anführer is - or used to be - somebody quite
       different from a plain Führer or -führer, at least in the
       original, literal sense of the word.
       Take a group of friends or inveterate anarchists, a group
       without a leader, that is. If you force those people to walk in
       single file, by necessity, one of them will be the first,
       regardless of his standing within the group. Now, he'd be called
       the Anführer, meaning: part of the group, and the others' equal,
       but simply the first in line. The very prefix an- often
       indicates something incidental, tagged on.
       A Führer, on the other hand, is a "leader" in the literal sense
       of the word, somebody who's leading others because he's
       strong-willed and/or the only one to know the way (or to think
       so), somebody without whom his followers would be lost.
       Maybe we should just have chosen an altogether different
       replacement for the F-word, right after WWII. Leiter for
       example.
       Edit: Nikola, please feel free to move this thread somewhere
       else if you'd rather. I mean, yes, the article is in German, and
       my thread's about the German language, yet I chose to discuss
       both in English, just in case somebody able to read German, but
       not to write it, would like to add their observations.
       #Post#: 16802--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The F-word
       By: NealC Date: June 13, 2019, 4:57 am
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       I am not sure of the question you are asking here, I think it is
       obvious you are correct as she is not using the prefix in her
       examples.  What do you think of her argument as it applies to
       politics?
       #Post#: 16805--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The F-word
       By: Nikola Date: June 13, 2019, 6:20 am
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       It's ok, Alharacas, I think it's quite nice to have something
       new in the Allgemeine Diskussionen.
       So has the word Anführer been used instead of Führer despite the
       fact that it has a different meaning?
       #Post#: 16825--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The F-word
       By: Alharacas Date: June 13, 2019, 11:50 am
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       [quote author=Nikola link=topic=1152.msg16805#msg16805
       date=1560424839]
       So has the word Anführer been used instead of Führer despite the
       fact that it has a different meaning?
       [/quote]
       Yep. 100%. As I said (and as she said), you can have all kinds
       of composite nouns with "-führer", like Reiseführer (guide
       book), Marktführer (market leader), etc., but on its own, the
       word is... toxic.
       [quote author=NealC link=topic=1152.msg16802#msg16802
       date=1560419850]
       I am not sure of the question you are asking here, I think it is
       obvious you are correct as she is not using the prefix in her
       examples.  What do you think of her argument as it applies to
       politics?
       [/quote]
       Maybe I was asking, in a roundabout way, whether I'd
       misunderstood something. It seems a bit weird that I should be
       the only one to have noticed something so obvious, doesn't it?
       So, perhaps there's a different way of looking at the author's
       argument.
       As to your question - leaving aside the US, I think it's quite
       obvious she's right, there does seem to be a trend towards
       authoritarianism in democratic countries, wouldn't you agree?
       But I'd been aware of that before I'd read the article. And
       apart from that, there's not much actual content, is there?
       Basically, what she's saying is 'we're going to hell in a
       hand-basket', isn't she? Which is neither constructive nor
       original, is it?
       #Post#: 17998--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The F-word
       By: SHL Date: July 14, 2019, 1:16 am
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       As Alharacas describes it an Anführer is a primus inter pares,
       a first among equals. I think that’s a bit soft, but ok.  That’s
       the way the leader of a democracy should be seen. Helmut Schmidt
       saw himself as such. I’ve listened to his interviews. It’s
       obvious.
       The American Presidential song, ”Heil dem Anführer”, means Hail
       to the Chief.” Many, including myself won't listen to or sing
       this song because we find it offensive. I refuse to listen to,
       let alone sing, the national anthem.  Many of us do not and will
       not own or fly an American flag because of what it stands for
       (it’s a fairly ugly-looking thing anyway): a fascist state. I do
       not celebrate Memorial Day or the 4th of July (it’s not
       Independence Day - that’s fake. The US wasn’t even recognized as
       an independent nation more than 7 years later when The Treaty of
       Paris was signed September 3, 1783). So, the 4th of July is a
       meaningless day actually.
       Yeah. We need a new word to describes the Trumps of the world.
       Wanna- be dictators who belie the very constitution they swore
       to up hold (Idi Amin even did that) and don’t understand or
       believe in it anyway (Trump).
       That the US (and one of its allies in particular) is a
       Schurkenstaat is obvious, a Pariah State. Trump is a Schurke, a
       scoundrel, villain, and criminal if he weren’t so good at hiding
       the truth with all his money, he would have been caught long
       ago. He’s incompetent, has minimal education, no understanding
       of government, especially workings of the US government, he
       doesn’t believe in parliamentary democracy, in fact he despises
       it, and wishes to rule by decree. He’s a wanna-be-dictator is
       all and a fascist, who just rules be fiat, called”executive
       order.”
       Trump is one who has promised not to leave the Presidential
       office easily (by being voted out in 2020 or a second term
       expiring in 2024- that the naive Rust Belt and mid-western
       voters could vote again for him is a real threat in 2020). Out
       of respect for Germany, I won’t use Der Führer in reference to
       Trump, but what do you call a wanna-be dictator ignorant of
       democracy and disdainful of it, who is in power?  Maybe a new
       word is needed for someone like Trump. Tyrant maybe? Fascist, of
       course. Maniacal egotist, of course. Bumbling and brainless
       incompetent? Definitely.
       But until English or German invents another word for a monster
       like Trump, No single word comes to mind. A hater of the
       Constitution is surely appropriate for Trump, one who belies the
       very oath he took.
       He’d have the US military swear allegiance to him personally, if
       he thought he could get away with it (some in the military would
       of course, high ranking officials of course because they are his
       lapdog).
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