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Re: Can we have more members to discuss on this forum or not?
By: NealC Date: June 2, 2019, 4:02 am
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Well, in answer to the OP, feel free to invite anyone you like,
if they like good discussion they are going to get banned at
Italki soon anyway.
As for here, we will just have to keep growing into a site that
has ever more utility for its members.
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Re: Can we have more members to discuss on this forum or not?
By: Truman Overby Date: June 2, 2019, 5:05 am
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Let's look at this from another angle. Specifically, what does
the opening page look like? After the standard greeting and
Rules section we come to this:
General Discussion
The Heart of the Boards. General Discussion but within reason,
topics like favorite pizza toppings, the well-being of sentient
beings traditionally used as food, or never ending requests for
a language exchange partner are prohibited. ( The HEART of the
boards is General Discussion. ) The next listing is World
Current Events, News. Only then does one see the Language
section...in SECOND place.
Why would it appear to the average inquirer that this is a
language board?
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Re: Can we have more members to discuss on this forum or not?
By: NealC Date: June 2, 2019, 5:12 am
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Fair point, I will think about that.
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Re: Can we have more members to discuss on this forum or not?
By: Chizuko hanji Date: June 2, 2019, 5:31 am
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[quote]Chizuko, after countless warnings, KingSlayer got banned
about a year ago. Yes, he was intelligent. The problem was his
unlovely habit of hounding EGP's female members until they
either left or stopped participating.
I think you were the only one who was spared this special
treatment of his.[/quote]
Oh...I didn't know that...sorry.
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Re: Can we have more members to discuss on this forum or not?
By: Irena Date: June 2, 2019, 5:40 am
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[quote author=Nikola link=topic=1121.msg16377#msg16377
date=1559459929]
Now why don't people interested in languages want to participate
in discussions on a forum that consists mainly of repetitive
comments about American politics... very strange indeed.
[/quote]
Which is why I just started a lovely new thread about learning
foreign scripts that has nothing to do with American politics.
8) If Steve & Jerry somehow manage to turn it into a discussion
of Donald Trump, I trust our lovely moderator will separate the
threads! ;D
HTML https://evengreener.createaforum.com/general-discussion/learning-new-scripts-in-adulthood/
I would actually really love to know Miriam's opinion on my
topic... I'm sure she'd have a thing or two to say about it.
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Re: Can we have more members to discuss on this forum or not?
By: Forest Date: June 2, 2019, 8:35 am
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I didn't know there are many members who don't participate in
discussions on EGP. Glad to hear that. I wish more members would
post fun, nice threads and comment in the future.
Yes, as Martin said, the English ability of participants and
their intellectual level are very high. I always struggle to
comprehend posters' topics and comments. Not always, but
sometimes topics are too serious, heavy and require quite deep
knowledge to understand.Even if people watch this forum as
guests, they might not feel like plunging into EGP.
I'm trying to recommend EGP to people on italki, but need time,
I think. Many people there seem to be aware of this forum.I'm
not sure why they don't register, though.Threads on italki are
close to chatting, not discussion. However, if majority want it
and satisfied, nobody can complain about the superficial
postings. Just wish more interesting people would join us here.
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Re: Can we have more members to discuss on this forum or not?
By: Nikola Date: June 2, 2019, 9:20 am
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[quote author=SJ link=topic=1121.msg16401#msg16401
date=1559482519]
Not always, but sometimes topics are too serious, heavy and
require quite deep knowledge to understand.Even if people watch
this forum as guests, they might not feel like plunging into
EGP.
[/quote]
I think this might be why some users post "easy" topics on
italki that so many people criticise. It's really hard to
discuss something complex while keeping it ESL-friendly. I would
be willing to look into that, actually.
Feel free to recommend this forum to anyone. I really think it's
down to all of us what EGP is or becomes in the future and what
we discuss here and how, will have an impact on who joins us.
That's what I was trying to say earlier.
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Re: Can we have more members to discuss on this forum or not?
By: Truman Overby Date: June 2, 2019, 10:19 am
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At the risk of beating a dead horse { Sorry, Irena. At least I
didn't say cat. } but this forum is functioning exactly as it
was conceived to function. Let's cast our minds now back the
golden yesteryears of italki when we were all contributing
there. Several bannings resulted in a bunch of us joining a
Skype group put together by Gryzbek called Greener Pastures. The
stated purpose of that group, if I recall correctly, was to act
as an alternative language learning site. Right away it was
mentioned and decided that there would be no limits, as long as
legal, of course, to the topics discussed.
Many people joined that group and many fell away never to be
seen again. I don't remember what happened with that one but it
bit the dust and EGP was formed. Many people have joined EGP and
left, as well.
So while the intent may have been to create a language forum,
that never happened. The result has been a general discussion
board that features a few, very few, language discussions.
Further, as has been pointed out, all topics are discussed in
high-level English. There are no threads in low-level English.
None. The name is also a problem. Greener Pastures, what's that
site for? Ranchers? Maybe cattle farmers? Hippies who want to
know how to grow a beautiful, lush pasture for all of their
butterfly friends? Who knows? The name points out a problem that
Marcin addressed, it seems like a clubby site because only the
longtime members have a clue that it was named for italki
dissidents. Hence, prospective members are turned off.
It seems to me then, that the first order of business is to
determine exactly what the purpose of the site is. And then make
a determination as to what, if anything, to do about it.
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Re: Can we have more members to discuss on this forum or not?
By: SHL Date: June 2, 2019, 11:41 am
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[quote author=Beech 18 link=topic=1121.msg16409#msg16409
date=1559488756]
At the risk of beating a dead horse { Sorry, Irena. At least I
didn't say cat. } but this forum is functioning exactly as it
was conceived to function. Let's cast our minds now back the
golden yesteryears of italki when we were all contributing
there. Several bannings resulted in a bunch of us joining a
Skype group put together by Gryzbek called Greener Pastures. The
stated purpose of that group, if I recall correctly, was to act
as an alternative language learning site. Right away it was
mentioned and decided that there would be no limits, as long as
legal, of course, to the topics discussed.
Many people joined that group and many fell away never to be
seen again. I don't remember what happened with that one but it
bit the dust and EGP was formed. Many people have joined EGP and
left, as well.
So while the intent may have been to create a language forum,
that never happened. The result has been a general discussion
board that features a few, very few, language discussions.
Further, as has been pointed out, all topics are discussed in
high-level English. There are no threads in low-level English.
None. The name is also a problem. Greener Pastures, what's that
site for? Ranchers? Maybe cattle farmers? Hippies who want to
know how to grow a beautiful, lush pasture for all of their
butterfly friends? Who knows? The name points out a problem that
Marcin addressed, it seems like a clubby site because only the
longtime members have a clue that it was named for italki
dissidents. Hence, prospective members are turned off.
It seems to me then, that the first order of business is to
determine exactly what the purpose of the site is. And then make
a determination as to what, if anything, to do about it.
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Good point Jerry. We need to determine a direction for the site.
Renaming it is an idea. How about „ Italki -II“? Or the new and
improved language and discussion board of Italki (they don‘t
have a copyright on the name).
As far as this being a high-level English language site? I don‘t
know what’s so high-brow about this site in English.
Anyway you made good points, but I never thought of this as an
exclusive club. Even of the English might seem a bit advanced
for the average italki learner, so what? All the more reason to
come here. You are never going to learn a language sticking with
baby talk in a foreign language and you are only going to move
up to a higher level by learning new phrases and idioms. That’s
how you expand your vocabulary.
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Re: Can we have more members to discuss on this forum or not?
By: NealC Date: June 2, 2019, 11:51 am
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[quote author=SJ link=topic=1121.msg16401#msg16401
date=1559482519]
I just wish more interesting people would join us here.
[/quote]
I think there should be a comma in there someplace... otherwise
I think I should take umbrage.
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