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Re: Question deleted.
DIR By: MartinSR
Date: May 26, 2019, 9:22 am
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In Poland I've never met a post with addressing someone formally
in the internet forum. The excetions are e-mails which follow
the formal/informal way of traditional letters. On the other
hand addressing people other than your family and friends
informal way is still considered rude. When you work with
someone or meet someone more often you usually have to wait for
permission to address him informal way (or propose it yourself
if the savoir vivre rules allow it in this situation).
The situation is changing slowly, especially between workmates.
I think there are many workplaces where people prefer the
informal way (usually except for the management).
When I started my work the problem raised because I was 8-16
years younger than my co-workers, after a kind of discussion
(I'm not joking) they agreed that we should use the informal
way, like they did before my coming. There was an exception -
everybody were using Mr. ... when talking to our boss. After
some time the boss allowed the colleagues highest in hierarchy
to address him informal way (we have very hierarchical structure
at work), what was considered ridiculous by all (including the
chosen ones).
Since the boss changed after a few years (one of our colleagues
became the new boss) we all use the informal way. We try to
encourage the newcomers to do it, but since they are much
younger than us now, some of them disagree.
It was interesting - SHL's comment about the quasi-formal way
of addressing people in Germany. In Poland we normally use Mr.
Mrs. without name - just with the 3rd person singular. Adding
someone's surname makes it even more formal while adding the
first name instead makes it less formal. Many decades ago (at
least in some regions) the subformal way was using the 3rd
person without the polite form, like asking someone literally
'Where does live?' - the person asked starts looking nervously
around thinking 'Who do we talking about?'. It was the way the
people higher in hierarchy (or much older) were talking to
younger - they didn't want 'estimate' the youngster with using
the polite form, but didn't want to address him by the informal
'you'. But these horrible forms are no longer in use ;-)
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Re: Question deleted.
DIR By: Nikola
Date: May 26, 2019, 12:42 pm
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The combination or first name + formal way of addressing is
quite common here. People use it at work. It kind of helps you
break the ice because Mr + surname + "vy" is overly formal and
you'd want to avoid it with someone you see on a daily basis.
The other combination is an interesting one, surname + informal
way of addressing. This is how children in elementary school
were traditionally addressed here.
"Nováku, co to děláš?" = "Novák, was machst du da?"
I'm not sure they're doing it anymore. I've always found it so
weird. You'd call the teacher "paní učitelko" (Frau
Lehrerin), speaking formally, and she'd address you using your
surname, while speaking to you informally. You'd call other kids
by their first name but if you were talking about them to the
teacher, you'd use their surname:
"Paní učitelko, Pospíšil mě praštil." =
"Frau Lehrerin, Pospíšil schlug mich."
If you study at a Gymnasium, the teachers (whom you're supposed
to address as "profesor" even though profesor is also an
academic rank (professor) the vast majority of them don't have)
and they use your first name while addressing you formally.
"Nikolo, vy nedáváte pozor." = "Nikola, Sie passen nicht auf."
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Re: Question deleted.
DIR By: Nikola
Date: May 27, 2019, 8:34 am
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The rest of the comments can be found here:
HTML https://evengreener.createaforum.com/questions/t-v-distinction-in-different-languages-slit-from-question-deleted/<br
/>where we can talk about the T-V distinction worldwide.
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Re: Question deleted.
DIR By: NealC
Date: May 27, 2019, 2:26 pm
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What I would like to know is how the title of this topic was
changed from the original title?
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Re: Question deleted.
DIR By: Nikola
Date: May 27, 2019, 2:37 pm
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--- Quote from: NealC link ---
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> What I would like to know is how the title of this topic was
changed from the original title?
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Oh. I assumed Steve did it when he deleted the question. But now
that you said it, that doesn't actually make sense, does it?
Unless users can change the title in the "subject" field.
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Re: Question deleted.
DIR By: NealC
Date: May 27, 2019, 2:45 pm
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Not that i know of
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Re: Question deleted.
DIR By: Alharacas
Date: May 27, 2019, 7:41 pm
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--- Quote from: Nikola link ---
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> The other combination is an interesting one, surname +
informal way of addressing. This is how children in elementary
school were traditionally addressed here.
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Ha! That's what they do in Bavaria as a matter of course, and
not just in elementary school, either! "Müller, Du hast wieder
mal nicht aufgepaßt!" or "Müller, Sie haben wieder mal nicht
aufgepaßt!"
But turning around first and last name is nothing unusual in
Bavaria, anyway. If you were Bavarian and wanted to tell me you
were on friendly terms with a guy called Hans Müller, you'd say
"Der Müller Hans ist ein Freund von mir".
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