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Cre-ate and re-act... any idea what this lady is doing?
By: Nikola Date: May 13, 2019, 3:39 pm
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After writing my post about bullying, I watched several videos
on YouTube and found this one. The lady looks a bit stoned but
that's not my main point. It's the way she pronounces certain
words: reaction, create and beyond. It sounds like she's making
a glottal stop in the middle. I don't think I've heard anyone do
this before, have you?
If you start watching at 0:30 you will hear create and then
beyond shortly after. You will also hear create pronounced the
more conventional way, before she gets to 2:06 where she says it
with a glottal stop again. Then there's reaction at 2:34.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rz2ho_Hxs4&t=177s
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Re: Cre-ate and re-act... any idea what this lady is doing?
By: Truman Overby Date: May 13, 2019, 3:48 pm
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I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she's a lazy
speaker. She strikes me as someone who thinks she's being
'heavy' and memorable. What's bothering me most is that crooked
lampshade.
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Re: Cre-ate and re-act... any idea what this lady is doing?
By: Nikola Date: May 13, 2019, 4:13 pm
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[quote author=E Pluribus Unum link=topic=1048.msg15468#msg15468
date=1557780494]
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she's a lazy
speaker. She strikes me as someone who thinks she's being
'heavy' and memorable. What's bothering me most is that crooked
lampshade.
[/quote]
I suppose she might have knocked it over and then put it back in
place quickly, under the influence of whatever she'd taken
before recording this.
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Re: Cre-ate and re-act... any idea what this lady is doing?
By: Alharacas Date: May 13, 2019, 4:15 pm
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Nikola, what can you expect when somebody starts their video
with "Peace and harmony to you"? ;D
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Re: Cre-ate and re-act... any idea what this lady is doing?
By: Nikola Date: May 13, 2019, 4:36 pm
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[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=1048.msg15471#msg15471
date=1557782129]
Nikola, what can you expect when somebody starts their video
with "Peace and harmony to you"? ;D
[/quote]
I don't know... glottal stops? Is that an anti-joke? :D
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Re: Cre-ate and re-act... any idea what this lady is doing?
By: SHL Date: May 14, 2019, 5:20 pm
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Her YouTube channel is called „Peace and Harmony“, which I‘m
sure is why she starts the video that way.
When I first heard her, I thought she sounds just like everyone
around me I hear everyday. I re-listened to the parts you
referenced Nikola, but I could‘t notice anything unfamiliar
about the way she pronounced anything. My first thought was she
was a psychotherapist type person from Santa Cruz, California,
that really wealthy city south of San Francisco that became a
hippie community of sorts in the 60s. Or, she could be from
anywhere around the San Francisco Bay Area too. I tried looking
up more about her to see where she lives, but couldn‘t find
anything. She is definitely not from the US South, like Texas on
eastward. Not New York or East Coast. Not likely Mid-West, so I
think the odds are pretty good she lives somewhere on the West
Coast.
I think when we hear someone, and this is probably true in all
languages, we first listen for clues in pronunciation to see if
they are native speakers, and if so from roughly where. Once we
establish they are, we forget about their pronunciation. I know
I do. I‘ve heard „recreate“ and „create“ pronounced with the
stress on the first or second syllables by native speakers, with
the glottal stops, and I frankly don‘t even hear the difference.
I personally pronounce „recreate“ and „create“ with the stress
on the first syllables but I‘ve heard it otherwise. That‘s not
even taking into account regional difference, which can be
extreme.
Last week in the hospital all the nurses were pronouncing
„angina“ with the stress in the first syllable like ANgina. I
had always heard it with the stress on the second syllable, like
anGINA. The nurses said either one is okay but they prefer
stress in the first syllable (I know why. Because if you place
the stress on the second syllable it sounds too close to the
female private body part that starts with a „v“....that‘s all I
could figure).
She does have a lazy monotone way of speaking so she is boring
to listen to. That is true. Sounds like a tree-hugging vegan to
me from Santa Cruz, like I said (that‘s where the well-known
socialist activist, Angela Davis was a full professor at the
University of California, Santa Cruz in its „History of
Consciousness“ Department, but retired a Professor Emerita a few
years ago. That would have been a good course for Jerry and Neal
to enroll in to broaden their perspectives, „the History of
Consciousness“ taught be Angela Davis. You guys don‘t know what
you missed! Don‘t laugh guys, this is where I live ;)......
Angela Davis was once a member of the Communist Party USA, and
since 1991 is a member of the Committees of Correspondence for
Democracy and Socialism, a party I’m sure Neal and Jerry are
happy to support.
HTML https://www.cc-ds.org/
They do have a catchy phrase, „Committees of Correspondence for
Democracy and Socialism-
Left Unity Toward a Democratic and Socialist Future„
I have my cardiologist appointment in a few weeks with that
right-winger Republican guy, Dr. Super US Military. He’s all
stiff like he just got off an aircraft carrier and wants you to
salute him or something. Maybe I‘ll ask if I can leave a few
flyers in his waiting room for the Committees of Correspondence
for Democracy and Socialism. He‘d probably give me a referral to
the psychiatric unit! :D
Davis was also, and still is, a big supporter of Assata Shakur,
the fugitive in Cuba, with the 2 million dollar bounty on her
head. Recall that restaurant in Oakland with the signs on the
outside, „Assata Shakur is welcome here. Police keep out“? Yeah,
the San Francisco Bay Area, which includes San Francisco‘s „ugly
sister“ Oakland, is the best place in the USA.
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Re: Cre-ate and re-act... any idea what this lady is doing?
By: Nikola Date: May 14, 2019, 6:04 pm
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I can't believe we have a match. Thank you so much, Steve, this
is really helpful. It's funny that you're so used to it you
don't really notice the difference. I found it quite distracting
when I was trying to watch the video because I wasn't familiar
with this pronunciation and she kept doing it ;D Would you say
those two ways of pronouncing create etc. are more or less equal
or does one of them make you sound more sophisticated to fellow
Californians?
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Re: Cre-ate and re-act... any idea what this lady is doing?
By: Truman Overby Date: May 14, 2019, 6:41 pm
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Didn't the lampshade bother you, Steve???
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Re: Cre-ate and re-act... any idea what this lady is doing?
By: NealC Date: May 14, 2019, 9:18 pm
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She talks funny. Can't we just make fun of her until she cries?
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Re: Cre-ate and re-act... any idea what this lady is doing?
By: SHL Date: May 15, 2019, 12:58 am
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[quote author=Nikola link=topic=1048.msg15490#msg15490
date=1557875098]
I can't believe we have a match. Thank you so much, Steve, this
is really helpful. It's funny that you're so used to it you
don't really notice the difference. I found it quite distracting
when I was trying to watch the video because I wasn't familiar
with this pronunciation and she kept doing it ;D Would you say
those two ways of pronouncing create etc. are more or less equal
or does one of them make you sound more sophisticated to fellow
Californians?
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Glad I could help Nikola. She just sounds totally normal to me,
just like everyone else where I live. If you were listening to
her talk to someone in my town like that, you‘d just assume she
was a local. As I said, I don‘t even hear the difference
between her pronunciation of create, reaction, beyond to be
honest with you. It all sounds the same to me. I probably
pronounce „reaction“ with the stress on the second syllable (of
3), but then it sounds okay to me to pronounce it with the
stress on the first syllable too for some reason. Same with
beyond, create. If I pay attention I can hear a slight
difference, but it doesn‘t sound strange or different to me. It
may have to do with where I live. And I can guarantee you no
one from around her, the entire San Francisco Bay Area, would
notice a difference or hear it.
Like I said earlier, when I first heard her I thought she
sounded like a vegan psychologist from Santa Cruz. I don‘t know
why. But, she could be from anywhere in the San Francisco Bay
Area as well. I don‘t think she looks or sounds stoned either.
That‘s just the way a lot of people talk around where I live. A
lot of my female clients sound just like her all the time.
I tend to talk a lot faster than she does, probably because my
personality is a bit more energized or something, but as to her
pronunciation, I probably unconsciously mix up the stresses on
those words you pointed out and don‘t even know it. Now that you
mentioned it, I‘ll have to ask my mom to say those words and she
how she sounds. She would probably think I were crazy for even
asking.
I have a cousin up in the Seattle, Washington area who talks
sort of slow and monotone like her. If she (Anne) calls me up
she talks really slowly, and then when I talk to her she tells
me to slow down, that I‘m talking too fast! I get this „Now,
Steven, slow down......“ It’s like her brain is in slow motion
or something. So I have to slow the pace down for her or it
drives her crazy. But, I have to be nice to her, because she
inherited a lot of money from her dad and likes me, and put me
in her trust. So if I outlive her I get lots of money. Lots. So
I have to give her the VIP treatment. But, that‘s a big IF
since Anne is only 5 years older than me. She‘s got some kind of
heart problem too, but it‘s minor I think (although she thinks
is a really big deal). I think my heart situation is surely
worse than hers.
As to you question about the differences in pronunciation, I
don‘t frankly think anyone around here would even hear the
difference, so no, either way of pronunciation is fine and I‘d
say are equal.
That lady does need to straighten that lamp shade though ;)
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