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Re: Why do we say Holocaust much more than other terrible genoci
de? Hegemony in international politi
By: Forest Date: May 8, 2019, 1:05 am
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Quate from Neal C
"But I think Japan is a very different country today and they
have done an even better job at apologizing for the past than
the United States has."
Actually this is an unexpected words for me. Koreans have
demanded Japanese government to apologize for compulsory
conscription, impressment, and comfort women, and compensation
for those war crimes. However, they just mentioned feeling of
regret, not an official apology, and haven't compensated in
acceptable, rational level yet. So, I wonder where you got the
information about that. And that's why I'm here: to ask people's
opinions from other countries. They might think of some issues
in quite different perspectives, so I want to confirm how
differently people think.
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Re: Why do we say Holocaust much more than other terrible genoci
de? Hegemony in international politi
By: Forest Date: May 8, 2019, 1:12 am
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Sofia,
Well, I understand what you say and appreciate for your kind
speech. However, the point is not language, and misreading is
much more serious problem here. Of course, language ability is a
fundamental requirement for discussion. My English level is
poor, but not the level not to be able to communicate with
people for discussions.Take a look around my thread. I have
never tried to deny or belittle Holocaust. I'm saying why other
genocide and massacres or inhuman war crimes have less concerns
than Holocaust. However, some people misread the entire context
and irrelevantly call me Holocaust denier, something like
that.Ugh..
People tend to just see what they want to see and just listen to
what they want to hear, or don't try to comprehend what someone
say carefully, and distort the meaning easily.That's the process
how I transformed into Holocaust denier. Of course, I'm not.
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Re: Why do we say Holocaust much more than other terrible genoci
de? Hegemony in international politi
By: Nikola Date: May 8, 2019, 3:21 am
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@Sofia
SJ is a newbie by rank (number of posts) but she has been a
member for almost a year now. Other than that I agree with you
about the importance of showing good manners and welcoming new
members. The last member to join EGP was Terecia who wrote a
post in the "Introduce yourself" section and received a warm
welcome from Neal, Chizuko, Jerry, Steve, Susan and myself.
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Re: Why do we say Holocaust much more than other terrible genoci
de? Hegemony in international politi
By: Aliph Date: May 8, 2019, 3:23 am
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SJ
I am not anglophone myself, so I imagine that sometimes I do not
always express myself as correctly as I would and maybe shock,
since I might not use politically correct words. Concerning the
Holocaust, I think that Europeans have a consciousness about it
that is very strong, since it happened close to us. Everybody of
us knows somebody whose great-grandparents died there.
For me it was the biggest shock in my life to learn as a child
(around 13 years old) what happened there. You are right, not
only Jews were exterminated but also communists, socialists,
homosexuals and gipsies. This knowledge changed my life and my
subsequent choices.
What is particular about this tragedy is that it was planned in
an accurate, systematic, industrialized way. It’s not war
casualties, it’s the conscious planning. One group of persons,
those who were of Jewish religion or culture, was deliberately
attacked and brought to death in extermination camps.
I do not think that it is very much useful to compare
exterminations and debate about what was more terrible then and
now. In your long list of sad events you forgot to mention the
massacres of the PolPot regime in Cambodia. (Just for the
records).
The real question is what can we do to prevent further
injustice.
Unfortunately, the victims of former injustices aren’t always
behaving in a correct way neither.
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Re: Why do we say Holocaust much more than other terrible genoci
de? Hegemony in international politi
By: Forest Date: May 8, 2019, 3:44 am
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Susan,
Yes, I'm SJ from italki. I think you recommended evergreener,
when I complained that I couldn't discuss freely as much as I
want on italki. I appreciate you for that. This site looks more
open to topics. Anyway, I can post some controversial subjects
now.
The thing that you ask me is quite familiar with me. I thought
mostly people thought Jews dominated American medias. Actually,
It was unexpected to hear that you haven't heard that.
HTML https://mondoweiss.net/2008/02/do-jews-dominat/
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Re: Why do we say Holocaust much more than other terrible genoci
de? Hegemony in international politi
By: NealC Date: May 8, 2019, 5:50 am
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Yes I remember you from Italki. And I remember the cycle of
posting controversial topics, generating a sh*t storm, and then
sitting back protesting your innocent motivations and intent.
Wash, rinse, repeat. I will say if you are truly looking for
good, honest discussion you are in the right place. If
otherwise, it soon will be obvious enough.
As for Mondoweiss above, it is a great site if you are looking
for the self hating Jewish perspective, I suppose that has some
value. I agree that might have been his experience in the media
in New York. But if you want to know the truth, aside from New
York City (maybe Los Angeles, plus retirement communities in
Florida and Arizona) there are no really large Jewish
populations in the United States. So while Jews might be over
represented at Goldman Sachs and the New York Times, it is not
that way in the rest of the country. Saying the Jews control
the U.S. media in today's cable tv and internet age is
laughable.
If you are truly looking to understand the support for Israel in
the U.S. that the rest of the world does not understand it comes
from U.S. Evangelicals, notably Baptists, Pentecostals and
similar Protestant groups. If you understand them, then you
will get an insight into US/Israel relations.
Or you can just blame the darn white Christians again, that will
be fine.
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Re: Why do we say Holocaust much more than other terrible genoci
de? Hegemony in international politi
By: NealC Date: May 8, 2019, 6:48 am
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As for Japan apologizing, they seem to have done quite a bit of
it. I know in Asia apologies are more finely tuned and analyzed
and I know in Korea it is still a sore subject. I would say in
the west we generally think Japan has done enough.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan
You can also say that South Korea's hands are not entirely clean
in the matter of "comfort women".
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lai_%C4%90%E1%BA%A1i_H%C3%A0n
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Re: Why do we say Holocaust much more than other terrible genoci
de? Hegemony in international politi
By: Forest Date: May 8, 2019, 9:12 am
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[quote author=Sofia link=topic=1028.msg15192#msg15192
date=1557303821]
I do not think that it is very much useful to compare
exterminations and debate about what was more terrible then and
now. In your long list of sad events you forgot to mention the
massacres of the PolPot regime in Cambodia.
The real question is what can we do to prevent further
injustice.
Unfortunately, the victims of former injustices aren’t always
behaving in a correct way neither.
[/quote]
Sofia,
Yes, when you say the victims also might not behave for justice,
I agree with that. The Nazis led by Hitler slaughtered about 11
million civilians and prisoners of war, including Jews, Slaves,
Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people and political prisoners,
throughout the German occupied territories.So if you use the
word holocaust to explain the genocide in Germany, you should
also include their deaths. However, unfairly, It was the
political power of Israel and the Zionists that made the
Holocaust a sacrosanct area of only theJewish. Thus the
Holocaust meant only the Jewish massacre.
PS I already mentioned it when I wrote above."The Khmer Rouge
regime, a communist militant group in Cambodia in 1975." And you
seem to skip it. The communist group was led by Pol Pot.
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Re: Why do we say Holocaust much more than other terrible genoci
de? Hegemony in international politi
By: Forest Date: May 8, 2019, 9:55 am
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Neal C,
Japan has been always successful in persuading Western countries
for that. However, for sure, it's related to hegemony in the
international politics. I'm seriously and bitterly sorry about
that. As I don't know English, you don't know Korean or Japanese
or Chinese. We are in "Chinese character cultural sphere”
together, and both countries know the difference of
유감 and 사죄. So I can say that in
conclusion they have never announced apology. This is also why
Koreans wonder how come Germany and Japan deal with the World
War II crimes so differently like that. I think Jews have a
power around the world and Korea is a weak nation in the
international politics. You know what? The US got a great profit
in medical area from the nortorious Japanese imperial army unit
731: in cost of hand over the medical outcome resulting from the
horrible experiments on living people, it compromised to give
indulgence to war criminals. The US and Japan were enemies
during World War II, but are very friendly allied nations for
mutual advantage. Actually, what Western perspective is, isn't
important, and the point is how the international politics is
operated. I warn you not to misread my intention again as you
have had so far, "attack your country", something like that.
As for Mondoweiss, I'm not sure what kind of this site is.
Honestly untrustworthy with your assertion.. In my opinion,
because you have been seen a little.. kinda.. to have biased
perspectives from your limited visual field, according to my
observation so far. Anyway, I need to confirm it later. And
population itself aren't that important, even meaningless,
because the key is who is the leading group, namely power elite
in a society, I think. They can handle and sway people.
Well, I need more people's opinions to balance between
conflicting point of views.
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Re: Why do we say Holocaust much more than other terrible genoci
de? Hegemony in international politi
By: NealC Date: May 8, 2019, 10:44 am
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Vietnam doesn't believe South Korea apologized enough. Waiting
for an apology to be "good enough" doesn't seem to be a
profitable exercise. That is a lesson I took home from
kindergarten.
Promulgating anti semetism from a country that has no Jews
strikes me as rather odd, it must be tough when there are no
windows to smash or synagogues to deface in your own
neighborhood. Trolling on the internet must pale in comparison.
Growing up with Jews all around I really cannot take the
"Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy" thing too seriously. Amazingly
enough they are just like regular people. I enjoyed all sorts
of subcultures growing up in New York - Irish, Italian, Greek,
Jewish, all sorts of Hispanic, some Korean and Chinese. It
taught me that people are all basically the same. Italians have
the best food. Jews the worst.
You topics can be interesting but if you think you are going to
educate us out of our perceived ignorance on the Jewish question
you are mistaken. I hope you have more than that. Boring is
death on the internet.
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