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Re: What is happening in France?
By: Truman Overby Date: May 1, 2019, 5:15 pm
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I agree that they probably have no idea what they're 'fighting'
for at this point. { Kind of like the Hatfields and McCoys. }
But I do firmly believe that the majority of these people are
professional protesters. We have the same thing here in the US.
Some shadowy organization recruits unemployed, young, angry
males and pays them to do this idiocy. There's no doubt at all
in my mind about this.
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Re: What is happening in France?
By: Alharacas Date: May 1, 2019, 5:54 pm
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[quote author=Keep America Great!
link=topic=1014.msg14915#msg14915 date=1556748904]
But I do firmly believe that the majority of these people are
professional protesters. We have the same thing here in the US.
Some shadowy organization recruits unemployed, young, angry
males and pays them to do this idiocy. There's no doubt at all
in my mind about this.
[/quote]
(crying with laughter) Trust me, Jerry, there's absolutely no
need to pay them.
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Re: What is happening in France?
By: NealC Date: May 1, 2019, 6:08 pm
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Far left, far right, anarchists who hate Jews and immigrants.
It almost seems like people are protesting a general feeling of
malaise, and the government should do something about it,
dammit!
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Re: What is happening in France?
By: Truman Overby Date: May 1, 2019, 7:05 pm
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[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=1014.msg14918#msg14918
date=1556751272]
[quote author=Keep America Great!
link=topic=1014.msg14915#msg14915 date=1556748904]
But I do firmly believe that the majority of these people are
professional protesters. We have the same thing here in the US.
Some shadowy organization recruits unemployed, young, angry
males and pays them to do this idiocy. There's no doubt at all
in my mind about this.
[/quote]
(crying with laughter) Trust me, Jerry, there's absolutely no
need to pay them.
[/quote]
Independently wealthy thugs?
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Re: What is happening in France?
By: Aliph Date: May 2, 2019, 2:08 am
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[quote author=Keep America Great!
link=topic=1014.msg14898#msg14898 date=1556724149]
[quote author=NealC link=topic=1014.msg14896#msg14896
date=1556721078]
I know today is May Day so all the communists are out, but we
cant seem to get a straight answer about the "Yellow Vests".
Who are they, what are they demonstrating about? I get
conflicting reports about what they believe in.
[/quote]
The Yellow Vests are Anarchists funded by Soros, most likely.
[/quote]
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Re: What is happening in France?
By: Alharacas Date: May 2, 2019, 3:20 am
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[quote author=Keep America Great!
link=topic=1014.msg14924#msg14924 date=1556755537]
[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=1014.msg14918#msg14918
date=1556751272]
[quote author=Keep America Great!
link=topic=1014.msg14915#msg14915 date=1556748904]
But I do firmly believe that the majority of these people are
professional protesters. We have the same thing here in the US.
Some shadowy organization recruits unemployed, young, angry
males and pays them to do this idiocy. There's no doubt at all
in my mind about this.
[/quote]
(crying with laughter) Trust me, Jerry, there's absolutely no
need to pay them.
[/quote]
Independently wealthy thugs?
[/quote]
Jerry, I guess if somebody starts a fight in your favourite bar,
late at night, when everybody's had a drink too many, you're
also going to wonder who's paid the guy. So, have it your way.
(resigned shrug)
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Re: What is happening in France?
By: NealC Date: May 2, 2019, 3:55 am
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Sofia, you also live close by, do you have an insight into what
they are protesting about? I honestly cannot find an answer.
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Re: What is happening in France?
By: Truman Overby Date: May 2, 2019, 4:49 am
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[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=1014.msg14933#msg14933
date=1556785256]
[quote author=Keep America Great!
link=topic=1014.msg14924#msg14924 date=1556755537]
[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=1014.msg14918#msg14918
date=1556751272]
[quote author=Keep America Great!
link=topic=1014.msg14915#msg14915 date=1556748904]
But I do firmly believe that the majority of these people are
professional protesters. We have the same thing here in the US.
Some shadowy organization recruits unemployed, young, angry
males and pays them to do this idiocy. There's no doubt at all
in my mind about this.
[/quote]
(crying with laughter) Trust me, Jerry, there's absolutely no
need to pay them.
[/quote]
Independently wealthy thugs?
[/quote]
Jerry, I guess if somebody starts a fight in your favourite bar,
late at night, when everybody's had a drink too many, you're
also going to wonder who's paid the guy. So, have it your way.
(resigned shrug)
[/quote]
I can't see what's so funny. All of this stuff around the world
is interconnected and rarely are these things as simple as they
appear to be. In the end it doesn't matter to me. I don't worry
about the affairs in other countries that don't affect me
directly, as others here constantly obsess over US politics and
my president, no matter who that president may be.
To clarify what I meant about independent wealth. ( I thought it
was obvious what I meant. Apparently not. ) These protestors are
out destroying things when everyone else is at work. Yet I'm to
believe that these are ordinary people who take their lunch
hours to take to the streets? I suppose it's possible. I also
suppose that the tooth fairy may be real.
As far as bar fights, I wouldn't know since I don't drink. I've
never heard of bar fights lasting for a year or more though. I
don't see it as a good comparison anyway.
I could cite news articles that show these people to be tools of
Soros or some other guy like that. But it would be dismissed as
fake news like you guys always do when you read articles
contrary to your way of thinking. Oh wait, the right only does
that. Correct?
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Re: What is happening in France?
By: Nikola Date: May 2, 2019, 5:05 am
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Jerry, I think it's the idea of someone having to pay them to
protest that people find laughable. It really doesn't take a lot
for people in France to protest. It would be like paying British
people to drink tea. The idea that someone might be feeding it
from the outside and encouraging them, on the other hand, isn't
impossible. Is it really relevant, though, if they would
probably do it anyway?
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Re: What is happening in France?
By: Aliph Date: May 2, 2019, 6:01 am
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Neal, I live close by but I do not have any better insight since
I am not really interested in mass movements, though frankly I
should. I was in Paris when it started. I wrongly dismissed it
as an expression of French folklore, this time with a right wing
touch. I remember that I was surprised that a French friend was
completely excited and saying that something really unusual was
going on.
The French have a tradition of moaning all the time about
everything. I know that what I say sounds contemptuous and
pretentious but that’s how their neighbors see them. In France,
people think that the state is responsible for everything and
should solve all the problems.
That said, however there is a real problem. France is terribly
centralized and bureaucratic.
The state neglected to help the regions. Those who are
protesting are workers and employees who belong to the lower
side of the lower middle class. Since everybody works
demonstrations usually take place on Saturday by the way. They
live in places that do not have proper public transportations,
that’s why increasing price of gazoline affects directly their
income. They have the impression that all the money goes to the
big cities and the metropolitan area of Paris.
As for taxes, the French system is very complicated and I can’t
explain it. But rich people have many ways to escape it, as
usual.
So this discontent has true social reasons. They also want a
minimum monthly salary of 1300 euros which isn’t extravagant
with the current cost of living.
The Yellow Wests want also a kind of referendum to give the
people the possibility to raise a debate about crucial political
and social issues (Switzerland has this possibility).
It probably shows that traditional politics with party systems
and trade unions aren’t capable anymore to settle things for the
sake and the wellbeing of everybody.
Neal, maybe you follow politics in Italy, the 5 Stelle movement
of Beppe Grillo seems to me to have similar concerns and recruit
in the same impoverished middle class.
But as I said, I am not a specialist.
The Gilets Jaunes movement is an interesting phenomenon since
there is no leadership. Now, everybody tries to use them, from
left to right. Some say it’s the end of neoliberalism. Some say
that there are racists elements among them. Everybody thinks
that Macron failed. Everybody argues that if he would have been
president he would have done better than Macron (that’s also
typically French).
Sociologists and political scientist already publish books few
months after the movement started.
What scares me is the impact of the black blocs. I hope that
fascist elements will not be able to infiltrate the movement. So
really I should start getting interested about what is going on
there.
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