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#Post#: 14945--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why do people try to take illegal drugs?
By: Truman Overby Date: May 2, 2019, 5:44 am
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[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=1013.msg14944#msg14944
date=1556792195]
[quote author=NealC link=topic=1013.msg14936#msg14936
date=1556787222]
Alharacas I am missing your point. When you say "Prohibition"
with a capital P are you speaking about the U.S. Constitutional
Amendment that prohibited alcohol? In that case I would agree
that Prohibition was a failure. I still see the value in drug
laws, especially on narcotics. Do you disagree?
[/quote]
Yes to both. I meant the prohibition of alcohol in the US, and I
do disagree. It's not that I'm in favour of unregulated drug
sales, of course not. It's just that a bit of regulation instead
of total outlawing would have saved millions of people and
trillions of dollars over the course of the last 100 years.
I must admit I'm not terribly interested in rats, and under
which conditions they prefer to take drugs. On the other hand, I
did find it interesting to learn that with very little
assistance, even heroin addicts are actually able to lead a
normal, productive life. Once the constant need of procuring and
paying for the next dosis has been eliminated, that is.
[/quote]
" On the other hand, I did find it interesting to learn that
with very little assistance, even heroin addicts are actually
able to lead a normal, productive life." Now I'm the one rolling
on the floor laughing!
#Post#: 14946--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why do people try to take illegal drugs?
By: Forest Date: May 2, 2019, 5:55 am
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Nikola,
I don't believe that people wouldn't look for drugs if they can
find alternative, healthy funs and activities.The word
"forbidden" or taboos lures people, and they wouldn't give up
drugs.
#Post#: 14948--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why do people try to take illegal drugs?
By: Aliph Date: May 2, 2019, 6:14 am
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Just to add my two cents to the discussion, even animals like
drugs! I remeber having a crazy cat who got high eating the
leaves of my papyrus plant. He usually jumped around and behaved
silly afterwards. I got rid of the plant....and gave away the
cat.
#Post#: 14949--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why do people try to take illegal drugs?
By: Forest Date: May 2, 2019, 6:22 am
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Sofia,
You mean papyrus plant is a kind of drug plant?
#Post#: 14950--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why do people try to take illegal drugs?
By: Alharacas Date: May 2, 2019, 6:24 am
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[quote author=Keep America Great!
link=topic=1013.msg14945#msg14945 date=1556793899]
[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=1013.msg14944#msg14944
date=1556792195]
[quote author=NealC link=topic=1013.msg14936#msg14936
date=1556787222]
Alharacas I am missing your point. When you say "Prohibition"
with a capital P are you speaking about the U.S. Constitutional
Amendment that prohibited alcohol? In that case I would agree
that Prohibition was a failure. I still see the value in drug
laws, especially on narcotics. Do you disagree?
[/quote]
Yes to both. I meant the prohibition of alcohol in the US, and I
do disagree. It's not that I'm in favour of unregulated drug
sales, of course not. It's just that a bit of regulation instead
of total outlawing would have saved millions of people and
trillions of dollars over the course of the last 100 years.
I must admit I'm not terribly interested in rats, and under
which conditions they prefer to take drugs. On the other hand, I
did find it interesting to learn that with very little
assistance, even heroin addicts are actually able to lead a
normal, productive life. Once the constant need of procuring and
paying for the next dosis has been eliminated, that is.
[/quote]
" On the other hand, I did find it interesting to learn that
with very little assistance, even heroin addicts are actually
able to lead a normal, productive life." Now I'm the one rolling
on the floor laughing!
[/quote]
Jerry, since you're obviously going to pooh-pooh every source I
might give you, just google "functioning heroin addict"
yourself, will you? And you're not going to tell me you've never
met a functioning alcoholic, are you? Because I have. Plenty. Of
the kind who start the day with high voltage shots. Every single
day. Their life expectancy is significantly reduced, yes, and
they're usually - though not always - quite unpleasant to live
with, but they do keep functioning. For decades on end. And mind
you, all of those I've met had - and kept - pretty high end
jobs: bank manager, middle management, engineer, army officer,
ship's captain.
#Post#: 14952--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why do people try to take illegal drugs?
By: Aliph Date: May 2, 2019, 6:39 am
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[quote author=SJ link=topic=1013.msg14949#msg14949
date=1556796170]
Sofia,
You mean papyrus plant is a kind of drug plant?
[/quote]
I never tried to smoke or eat Egyptian papyrus leaves. But I
think my cat was really “high”. So they must contain some kind
of substance that acts like a drug at least on cats. No
scientific proof though.
However it is well known that Reindeer in the northern countries
get high eating apples that fermented on the trees in September.
Every year there are stories about dipsy reindeer who behave
mischievously. So do sparrows with any leftover fruits.
HTML https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2011/10/animals-getting-high-10-common-drunks/
#Post#: 14954--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why do people try to take illegal drugs?
By: Truman Overby Date: May 2, 2019, 7:04 am
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[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=1013.msg14950#msg14950
date=1556796244]
[quote author=Keep America Great!
link=topic=1013.msg14945#msg14945 date=1556793899]
[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=1013.msg14944#msg14944
date=1556792195]
[quote author=NealC link=topic=1013.msg14936#msg14936
date=1556787222]
Alharacas I am missing your point. When you say "Prohibition"
with a capital P are you speaking about the U.S. Constitutional
Amendment that prohibited alcohol? In that case I would agree
that Prohibition was a failure. I still see the value in drug
laws, especially on narcotics. Do you disagree?
[/quote]
Yes to both. I meant the prohibition of alcohol in the US, and I
do disagree. It's not that I'm in favour of unregulated drug
sales, of course not. It's just that a bit of regulation instead
of total outlawing would have saved millions of people and
trillions of dollars over the course of the last 100 years.
I must admit I'm not terribly interested in rats, and under
which conditions they prefer to take drugs. On the other hand, I
did find it interesting to learn that with very little
assistance, even heroin addicts are actually able to lead a
normal, productive life. Once the constant need of procuring and
paying for the next dosis has been eliminated, that is.
[/quote]
" On the other hand, I did find it interesting to learn that
with very little assistance, even heroin addicts are actually
able to lead a normal, productive life." Now I'm the one rolling
on the floor laughing!
[/quote]
Jerry, since you're obviously going to pooh-pooh every source I
might give you, just google "functioning heroin addict"
yourself, will you? And you're not going to tell me you've never
met a functioning alcoholic, are you? Because I have. Plenty. Of
the kind who start the day with high voltage shots. Every single
day. Their life expectancy is significantly reduced, yes, and
they're usually - though not always - quite unpleasant to live
with, but they do keep functioning. For decades on end. And mind
you, all of those I've met had - and kept - pretty high end
jobs: bank manager, middle management, engineer, army officer,
ship's captain.
[/quote]
Yeah, I'm sure there are high-functioning heroin addicts out
there. These types are probably the exception to the rule, I
would imagine. Also, it wouldn't be a stretch to think that the
alcoholic will usually live decades longer than the heroin
addict and function at a higher level. So I'm not real sure the
comparison is the same.
I'm not an addict or an alcoholic and I forgot to go to medical
school, so what I say should be taken with a grain of salt.
#Post#: 14955--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why do people try to take illegal drugs?
By: Aliph Date: May 2, 2019, 7:07 am
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[quote author=Alharacas link=topic=1013.msg14950#msg14950
date=1556796244]
Jerry, since you're obviously going to pooh-pooh every source I
might give you, just google "functioning heroin addict"
yourself, will you? And you're not going to tell me you've never
met a functioning alcoholic, are you? Because I have. Plenty. Of
the kind who start the day with high voltage shots. Every single
day. Their life expectancy is significantly reduced, yes, and
they're usually - though not always - quite unpleasant to live
with, but they do keep functioning. For decades on end. And mind
you, all of those I've met had - and kept - pretty high end
jobs: bank manager, middle management, engineer, army officer,
ship's captain.
[/quote]
In countries like Switzerland who have programs of harm
reduction for their substance abusing citizens, there are people
that are socially functioning under medically prescribed
methadone (a substitute for heroine).
As for alcohol, everybody knows that there are heavy drinkers
that continue to work. At least for a certain amount of time.
#Post#: 14956--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why do people try to take illegal drugs?
By: NealC Date: May 2, 2019, 7:14 am
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I have known 'functional' drunks, not many stay functional for
their entire career and I think the people around them end up
shouldering more and more of their responsibilities. There is
usually a bad end as well.
I understand treating addicts with methadone and other drugs, I
have a family member who is under that type of care. I am not
sure we can ever let our guard down against narcotics, they just
grab hold of people and don't let go.
On the other hand my state will probably legalize marijuana soon
and I don't care at all. My brother the doctor says it is
alcohol that fills up the emergency rooms every weekend, not
marijuana.
#Post#: 14960--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why do people try to take illegal drugs?
By: Forest Date: May 2, 2019, 7:46 am
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Drugs like opium, ecstasy, heroin, cannabis, hirospon, cocaine
and alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, all of them bring addiction to
people. However, alcohol, nicotine, and caffein are excluded
from drug kinds.What is the difference between drug kinds and
items of personal preference? In many cases, alcohol brings
deadly dangerous results as much as drug addiction.
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