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       #Post#: 1734--------------------------------------------------
       Spy crab
       By: FlamingDillhol[e] Date: September 19, 2012, 4:17 am
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       Just curious why there is a rule about spy crabbing:
       [quote]5. No spy-crabbing (tf2) without a Admin/Trusted MM
       (Middle Man).[/quote]
       > Is it deemed a form of griefing?
       > Why is it better doing it with an Admin/MM?
       > How do you even spy crab with an Admin/MM??
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       #Post#: 1735--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spy crab
       By: _Ethanator_ Date: September 19, 2012, 8:19 am
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       No, spycrabbing is not deemed a form of griefing. I don't even
       know why you would think that?
       The reason that an admin/MM is nessacary is because spycrabbing
       is a form of gambling. If there is nobody to ensure that the
       winner gets their winnings, then people don't always pay up.
       When there is an admin involved, the admin holds both parties
       items/stake and gives them to the winner at the end. There is
       nothing stopping you spycrabbing without an admin, but if you
       choose to do that, you do it at your own risk of not getting
       your winnings and i shouldn't think that any admins will go out
       of their way to help you get them.
       Hope this covered your question. If not, feel free to ask more.
       #Post#: 1737--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spy crab
       By: FlamingDillhol[e] Date: September 19, 2012, 2:30 pm
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       Cool, thanks for the answer. I don't go on trade servers so
       wasn't aware of the gambling. I was thinking griefing/trolling
       when your in normal games and half your team isn't pushing the
       cart cause theyre too busy walking like crabs.
       As you say, if you want to gambel without somebody holding the
       stakes, then you need to live with the risk of the other person
       reneging. I don't see why there needs to be a rule about that.
       Take responsibility for your own risk!
       Anyhow, I suggest modifying the rule to say "spy crab taunt
       gambling" to make it clear that it's okay to walk around as spy
       crab in normal games.
       #Post#: 1742--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spy crab
       By: millak Date: September 20, 2012, 6:35 am
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       haha i think if the rule apply's to you, you know that
       spycrabbing is a taunt!
       #Post#: 1743--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Spy crab
       By: FlamingDillhol[e] Date: September 20, 2012, 1:59 pm
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       Well, sure, but I argue that the vast majority of players (i.e.
       those who don't go on trade servers) would think spy crabbing is
       the original "walking around with your disguise kit out". An
       ambiguous rule is a bad rule.
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