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#Post#: 601--------------------------------------------------
This is for Plague.
By: Celestial_One Date: June 21, 2013, 3:53 am
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To most this is going to look like a big block of text. I assure
you this has continuity and there is a purpose to it. If you
read it line by line it will make 100% sense.
Some interesting logs from yesterday:
Plague asked me to not post these logs on the forums because he
thinks he disagrees with me or something. IDK you decide what
side he is on.
[07:18:59 PM] <Celestial_One> if skill isn't how well you can
perform in a given activity
[07:19:02 PM] <Celestial_One> then what is skill?
[07:19:05 PM] <Plague[SanD]> how good you are at all aspects of
the game
[07:19:17 PM] <Plague[SanD]> regardless of some being more
important
[07:19:36 PM] <Celestial_One> what? okay discontinuity
[07:19:50 PM] <Celestial_One> so skill is defined as how well
you can perform in all activities
[07:20:11 PM] <Celestial_One> so wouldn't someone who is better
in the activities that are more valued
[07:20:22 PM] <Celestial_One> be considered more skillful than
one who is only good at say, steplocking?
[07:21:04 PM] <Plague[SanD]> no... because in skill all
categories are equal....
[07:21:10 PM] <Celestial_One> what!?
[07:22:18 PM] <Plague[SanD]> some categories tip the balance of
your scores more than others
I'd like to stop right here and show you, the audience, that
plague already agreed with drew and myself here. But, we
continue going. Also, please feel free to correct me if I take
absolutely ANYTHING out of context Plague.
[07:22:22 PM] <Plague[SanD]> doesnt make you more skilled for
it.
[07:22:31 PM] <Celestial_One> but does it make you a better
player?
[07:22:38 PM] <Plague[SanD]> yes
[07:22:50 PM] <Plague[SanD]> but better player =/= skill
OKAY WTF? lol.
[07:22:52 PM] <Celestial_One> okay what is the difference
between the most skilled player and the best player?
He goes onto compare 2 players. XsheepY and myself. Then
concedes that he makes no sense.
[07:25:46 PM] <Plague[SanD]> sheepy has the potential to do
better in the game than u because he excels at only a few
categories while u are good at all of them
[07:25:54 PM] <Plague[SanD]> hes not a better player tho
[07:26:00 PM] <Celestial_One> so in that instance
[07:26:04 PM] <Celestial_One> I am the more skillful and better
player
[07:26:17 PM] <Celestial_One> give me an example of a player
that is more skillful than another but isn't better
A task he is unable to do. Again, correct me if any of these
logs are misleading in anyway, Plague. <3
Let's continue.
[07:29:11 PM] <Plague[SanD]> for me skill is talent
[07:29:36 PM] <Celestial_One> okay they are two very distinct
and different things plague
[07:29:42 PM] <Plague[SanD]> when i say thatt
[07:29:53 PM] <Plague[SanD]> skill is a tame rword
[07:30:02 PM] <Celestial_One> no dude they are different
[07:30:09 PM] <Plague[SanD]> still doesnt change my opinion tho
:D we know it doesn't he's already on drewcele side. He agrees
that rating skill should be weighted in certain areas as shown
earlier instead of some 10 point 10 attribute nonsense. Though
he doesn't quite understand how he is on our side quite yet ^^
[07:31:11 PM] <Plague[SanD]> i dont mean either of them
[07:31:17 PM] <Plague[SanD]> i mean a word which probably doesnt
exist
[07:31:17 PM] <Plague[SanD]> !
Okayokay we're making progress here. Plague means something that
doesn't exist. Moving on. (This is evidence for "believing" in
something, but unable to explain what the belief is or how to
logically argue it. I call this blind-sheep-syndrome.)
[07:32:36 PM] <Plague[SanD]> how WELL someone does in the game
is not reflective of how GOOD they are
[07:32:47 PM] <Celestial_One> sure I'd agree
[07:33:00 PM] <Celestial_One> in a single instance. [AKA a
single game]
[07:33:03 PM] <Plague[SanD]> and the list for me reflects how
good they are
[07:33:07 PM] <Plague[SanD]> not how well they can do!
Wait WHAT!? We already know the list isn't about potential! The
list is about arbitrary ratings! Moving on.
[07:35:31 PM] <Celestial_One> how well someone does in the game
is not reflective of how good they are
[07:35:40 PM] <Celestial_One> I completely agree with this if
we're looking at one game.
[07:36:03 PM] <Plague[SanD]> but for me its reflective over more
games
Plague thinks that how well someone does over a sample base of
games doesn't show how good they are as a player. Totally makes
sense. No worries I'll explain my sheepies.
[07:37:18 PM] <Celestial_One> how can you argue player A is
"better" when player B outperforms them consistently
[07:37:34 PM] <Celestial_One> this is your standpoint argue it
[07:37:50 PM] <Celestial_One> and by outperform I do not mean
scores
[07:37:56 PM] <Celestial_One> I mean ultimately winning games
[07:38:06 PM] <Plague[SanD]> i dont think winning games =
performance
[07:38:17 PM] <Celestial_One> then what defines a good
performance? ^^
[07:39:46 PM] <Plague[SanD]> if player b is outperforming then
they are better... but as i said winning the game does not =
outperfoming for me....
Replace outperforming with more skill. Certainly a valid
replacement. Voila plague. Do you see how you agreed with me
once again? I go on to compare whirlwind and aidan, his previous
examples, to show him that he agrees with me.
[07:44:01 PM] <Celestial_One> so who do you think would
outperform who in a pro setting
[07:44:05 PM] <Celestial_One> aidan or whirlwind
[07:44:09 PM] <Plague[SanD]> whirlwind
[07:44:17 PM] <Celestial_One> who do you think would win the
majority of the games
[07:44:21 PM] <Plague[SanD]> whirlwind
[07:44:27 PM] <Celestial_One> who do you think would be the
better player?
[07:44:30 PM] <Plague[SanD]> whirlwind
So check check and check. Plague thinks that the person who
outperforms (is more skillful) would win the majority of the
games, and is the better player. FINALLY we come to an
agreement, right?
[07:46:47 PM] <Plague[SanD]> u were arguing that some attributes
were more important than others
[07:46:50 PM] <Celestial_One> you just agreed that some
attributes are more valuable than others :D
See?: [07:22:18 PM] <Plague[SanD]> some categories tip the
balance of your scores more than others
He starts to flame me and insult me for having smoked pot and
asks me if I'm smoking it right now. Funny how it should be me
flaming you and asking you the same thing. And FINALLY. PLAGUE
ADMITS DEFEAT UNKNOWINGLY.
[07:47:28 PM] <Plague[SanD]> so those attributes rly dont
reflect skill
Snipers Skill Level (SSL): This is an all-inclusive score of how
skilled a player is at the game of Snipers. The rating is out of
100 total points and each attribute category contains 10 maximum
possible points.
Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to make plague seem stupid
or anything. I'm just pointing out that through logic I can
convince ANYONE that drewcele side is correct. If you don't
understand then let's meet up on BNet or have a 1 on 1 thread.
:)
So Plague agrees that the ratings don't really reflect skill,
even though that's EXACTLY what you guys are aiming to do.
I hope this explains how you have agreed with me numerous times,
though your sheepy mind doesn't want to admit it. Cele OVER AND
OUT!
#Post#: 603--------------------------------------------------
Re: This is for Plague.
By: Tom Date: June 21, 2013, 8:24 am
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LMAO.
"Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to make plague seem
stupid or anything."
You are the biggest LIAR and HYPOCRITE I have ever met. WOW. Why
are you coming to Plague with these questions, when I am the one
who came up with the ratings system? You just wasted an hour
making a post about how Plague may or may not think some skills
are more important than others, when in reality I stated that
BEFORE the list even CAME OUT. Such an idiot.
We've said a thousand times that:
1. The ratings are not nearly as important as just having the
player's names together
2. The rating system is far from accurate, is biased, and
incomplete
And yet you continue to ignore the fact that we've said this
multiple times over the past THREE MONTHS.
Don't play Snipers, Celestial. You have provided nothing to this
community except stupidity, arrogance, and negativity. Nobody
wants you here. Talk about manipulation... Unbelievable.
#Post#: 611--------------------------------------------------
Re: This is for Plague.
By: Celestial_One Date: June 21, 2013, 1:45 pm
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Plenty of people want me here. Time to start crying on BNet
about how drew and cele think your system is trash and try to
get the botowners to ban us? Let's see more Tom manipulation in
action :D
You CLEARLY didn't read my post in the other thread. I said the
ratings were trash. I said I liked the list of usernames brusch
and how I found them reminiscent. Though I doubt you made it
that far in my post... you were probably foaming at the mouth
when you finished halfway through the first paragraph lol. Dunno
maybe you have the reading capacity of a 6th grader considering
you didn't understand drew's post either. I'm interested in
seeing how this anti-math approach works out as well. For the
record I didn't make Plague look dumb. His own arguments made
him look dumb I was just publicizing the conversation and adding
commentary ^_^
Why would I ask plague these questions? Because I like Plague.
Because I don't want him to follow you like a blind sheep. You
don't understand how hard he was fighting for your system to
show how "good" people are. God did you even read the logs? This
kid is so brainwashed by you it's painful. Wtf? LOL.
It took me less than ~10 minutes for him to agree with me
(though he'll say he still disagrees, though the evidence here
is clear), but I kept going and he just kept on agreeing lol
though he'll probably say otherwise.
I came at him because he's using your trashy system as well (if
not more than you?) because he has rated the lower-skilled
players. Drew and I came at you in the other thread and he came
to your defense. Obviously I show him logic and reason? What's
wrong with you?
[quote]And yet you continue to ignore the fact that we've said
this multiple times over the past THREE MONTHS.[/quote]
Wow so you recognize that your system is trashy and do nothing
to fix it over the course of THREE MONTHS. Me ignoring wait...
what?! Are you joking me? You're the one CLEARLY ignoring us!
Also I'm interested in knowing what the point of such a pretty
and complex rating system is if it's not accurate in the least.
MORE PROOF TOWARDS YOUR POWER TRIP?
#Post#: 625--------------------------------------------------
Re: This is for Plague.
By: Plague Date: June 21, 2013, 9:38 pm
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All I'll say is that people should really read the whole
conversation... but I'm already tired of this, it's not even a
serious issue.
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