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       Re: The Nonsense That Is Tom's Ranking System Explained
       By: Tom Date: June 21, 2013, 8:15 am
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       Let me help you out drew. When you go 10-0 in Snipers, you're
       probably level 4, maybe even level 5. If you play that right,
       the game is over. The whole time you can provide sight for your
       teammates or a skilled player will just pend and wipe the other
       team out. I have yet to see a 20-10 player impact the game FOR
       HIS TEAM as much as a 10-0 player. I figured the brainchild
       would have more common sense, but I suppose that's wishful
       thinking.
       As for locking, I have no idea what case you're trying to make.
       You're not really making sense.
       "Locking skill: How skilled someone is at winning locks. I am
       also including lock SPEED under this category. More important
       for some types of players than others. Either way, locking is a
       skill that can push you over the top. If you want to be GREAT,
       you have to know a good deal about locking."
       I am ALSO including speed. The main definition was how skilled
       one is at WINNING locks. The fact that anyone is complaining
       that this is a category is just absurd, and hilarious.
       Oh and Celestial, I laughed really hard when you tried to make a
       case that you actually teach players via "criticisms and
       pointers", so thank you. As far as your knowledge score, you
       continue to make things up. I never said knowledge had ANYTHING
       to do with the game engine. But keep trying to make this about
       your accusation, hypocrite.
       " Knowledge: Knowledge of the game itself in all aspects is
       required to survive in Snipers. Knowing when to go forward or
       retreat, knowing what items to purchase at certain times, etc
       are all fall under knowledge of the game."
       Try reading. This is exactly what I told you it was. Knowledge
       score doesn't have anything to do with knowing how a FOG CLICK
       works, sorry Cele. But maybe I should throw in a douche
       category? You'd be a 10.
       "You think steplock is as important as far sight" HOLY shit.
       Nobody said that. You CONTINUE to make things up. I've ALREADY
       said that attributes should really be scaled and I recognized
       that when I first made the list.
       Wait. Now you're saying you want me to rate myself? LOL. DUH!
       Silly me.
       "As I've said before most of the numbers are a load of bull."
       No, most of your 'facts' and 'points' are a load of bull.
       "Everything in his post screams egotistical list." And yet
       you're ATTACKING me for as you said "purposely" making the list
       so that I can brainwash the community further and for my own
       ego. Owl is suggesting everyone should take the opposite
       approach to looking at the list, but I can see that u no reed so
       guud. The mere fact that you have posted complaining about how
       it works goes directly against what Owl just posted, but good
       try.
       What a joke. "You really showed your true manipulative colors
       that day. Not only were you trying to convince people I
       maphacked, but some of the older players even disagreed with you
       telling you it was most likely a bug. You want me to treat you
       with respect?"
       Let me educate you: I did not go out of my way to 'convince'
       anyone you hacked, as if my goal was to ruin whatever reputation
       you think you have. I presented my argument which I believed was
       not faulty. It was faulty, and when proven wrong I apologized
       sincerely. But you, being an immature little shit, "we cool yo"
       yesterday but I guess that was a lie. I don't want respect from
       someone as hypocritical as you, keep it. For the last time, you
       failed to read the title of this thread. drew has a legitimate
       argument about the way I went about rating players in the
       database. His post had absolutely nothing to do with my
       accusation, but hey, we all know how much you love to make
       everything about you. I bet you think you're clever, but to
       everyone reading this argument you just look like an idiot. Next
       thing we know you'll be claiming you've kept East Snipers alive
       for 17 years and you'll be hanging out in channel "Legend" by
       yourself.
       #Post#: 606--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Nonsense That Is Tom's Ranking System Explained
       By: RaPeDmAN Date: June 21, 2013, 10:01 am
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       Funny that drew always quote me to make me look bad. Like i
       said, he is only a mad newb with no skill and no "intelligence".
       #Post#: 607--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Nonsense That Is Tom's Ranking System Explained
       By: Shy Date: June 21, 2013, 11:17 am
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       Guys, your debate is so annoying but really funny to read.
       You guys, are complaining about a rank, and a SNIPERS rank. I
       can add that the game ELITE SNIPERS is a teamgame.
       I would like to see a rank for soccer player too, tell me
       please.
       #Post#: 610--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Nonsense That Is Tom's Ranking System Explained
       By: Celestial_One Date: June 21, 2013, 1:44 pm
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       Tom what makes you think you can't be level 4 or 5 when you're
       20-10? Are you stupid lol?
       I heard you can go 10-10 and then get 10 kills on top of that to
       match your 10 kill streak. HOLY JESUS WHAT A BRILLIANT COUNTER.
       I have an even better one yet too! Imagine you go 5-10. THEN GET
       15 KILLS. WOW HOLY BRILLIANCE AURA BATMAN! that means you can be
       level SEVEN or level EIGHT!??!?! WOWZ!!! You're so stupid that
       anyone that doesn't have BSS CLEARLY sees it :D
       You are so bat**** crazy it's HILARIOUS to see your responses.
       You are the best brainwasher around... you have even brainwashed
       yourself LOL
       #Post#: 616--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Nonsense That Is Tom's Ranking System Explained
       By: Tom Date: June 21, 2013, 2:43 pm
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       You're really stupid. The likelihood that someone can go 5-10
       and then get 15 kills in a row is low, but I've already
       acknowledged this possibility. My point is that if someone goes
       10-0, they are probably going to get there pretty fast and be a
       huge threat the entire game, whereas someone who does the
       previous would only be a huge threat for a smaller amount of
       time. But you seem to only think critically when it suits you.
       #Post#: 705--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Nonsense That Is Tom's Ranking System Explained
       By: ChlamydiaStDS Date: August 15, 2013, 10:49 pm
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       Being a "legend" of snipers, I can see why Drew is upset with
       the list. As an opinionated list, it would make more sense to
       just have it graded out of 100 without having categories. There
       is some overlap in the categories and the importance of each
       category has no gradation between them.
       The biggest beef I have with the list is that it happened
       several years too late and there aren't really any snipers on
       the list that can really be comparable to the overall talent
       over the years and evolution of the game.
       But after reading most of the comments (at least half way
       through) I came to these conclusions
       1. Tom vs Drew is always funny
       2. Celes is still a retarded noob.
       3. Raped is just big of a retarded noob as Celes.
       4. Plague is a douche to oldies, but his arguments about living
       in the past have merit. However, if we quit living in the past
       then we would all just recognize the game for the current crap
       state it is. (warcraft in general)
       5. Chlamydia[StDS] is still still a legendary giant asshole. :D
       #Post#: 812--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The Nonsense That Is Tom's Ranking System Explained
       By: SniPerr Date: October 8, 2013, 1:55 pm
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       Why are people sometimes soo full of themselves...
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