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A Questionable Case
By: Celestial_One Date: February 5, 2013, 5:30 pm
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Now before anyone starts crying about how noob I am or how
stupid this thread is it brings up a serious point and should be
taken with an open mind. My hopes are that people will open
their eyes to the obvious lies and bull**** that some players
(not even just the to-be mentioned) bring. It is up to the
community as a whole to stick together and deal with serious
cases as they come. Keep an open mind and please read this with
effective neutrality. I'd like to think of myself as a
respectable member of the community. I treat new players along
with old players with respect. If this thread is deleted or cast
away it will only further reveal us into the mind of this
person; silence the press, and keep the truth from being
revealed. This thread is not meant to take any action against
the player, but just broaden awareness. I'm also interested to
see how the philosophy behind "it's okay to cheat in some games,
but not others" refutes my points. I think we all will find it
to be an impossible stance.
Today I bring irrefutable evidence of maphack against a revered
member of the community. However, this is not why I have made
this thread. For, maphacking from this user is common-knowledge
among the elite and older generations. A wise sniper once said
'Maphack is like a drug.' Sure there are players who have
maphacked and quit, but they are incredibly far and few. I don't
think this user falls under that category. Considering he is
still using. The real question I have for you all is; Is it
likely for someone who still uses maphack regularly to inflate
his ego and rating on dotacash, to never use maphack in snipers
or other games?
If a person who is so ego-driven resorts to using maphack in a
game full of people he doesn't know because he is that driven to
win, what are the odds he maphacks within his own community; to
bolster his reputation among newer naive players?
I'm willing to bet my life that this person uses maphack in
snipers games, but that is not REALLY what the question is here.
The matter I have brought before the community is not about
whether or not this member maphacks in snipers games, but that
he maphacks at all. Maphacking in any map, especially games like
dota and snipers where vision should cost gold, is revolting. It
shows signs of a weak person who does not rely on his own skills
to win the game. It shows how out of control this person's ego
is that he must cheat at games with RANDOM people to win.
Players like this should not be held in high regard, but rather
the opposite.
Now apply this same person's attitude to snipers. He has been
caught maphacking before. He rarely goes less than 5-0 at the
start. He pulls sketchy fses all day all calls them "obvious".
Granted each individual case can be considered lucky or even a
CRAZY pfs can be considered skillfully predicted; however when
all these cases collectively are found in numerous games with
consistency it's pretty safe to assume this person maphacks. I'm
no fool in saying this. I have caught many maphackers and I know
how they think as well. This person knows how maphack works; he
will never click someone in fog, and he will always play
cautiously so as to not arise suspicion. Each individual game
may not have enough proof to safely say someone maphacks, but as
a collective it certainly says a lot about the player. Not to
mention even admitting having it on your computer and using it
once is so blatantly incriminating. It's a wonder why so many
people stick up for this person after his REAL history.
A person who says they only use regularly heroin on fridays
should still be considered a heroin addict, and most likely is
lying nonetheless. A maphacker who says he only hacks in one
game is still a maphacker.
I implore you to see reason, yes you the reader, that this
person is not as innocent as he seems, and only a fool would be
convinced that this person has kept his hand out of the cookie
jar. This person HAS been tempted to use maphack in snipers and
still does. I shouldn't have to bring you a damn replay because
this logic is INFALLIBLE.
So today I bring to you the infamous DOTA MAPHACKER yet SNIPER
SAINT...
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Re: A Questionable Case
By: Relentless Date: February 5, 2013, 5:56 pm
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Well this alone explains enough.
I have done something that exposed him to my self and is why I
quit 3xs after being fed his bullshit for 3-4ish months and
believing him....
But I had no way to post my proof as I don't have a video
recorder to record both my screens on laptops of watching him
play.
But anyways thanks celes. I don't hate peng but I'm 100% sure he
mhs in snipers VERY Often.
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Re: A Questionable Case
By: Tom Date: February 5, 2013, 6:43 pm
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Wow. It's pretty sad that you've joined this witch-hunt, and
even sadder that I'm even going to respond to this, but
whatever. Maybe I can give some AWARENESS to the community.
First of all, I will clarify: I have used a maphack in Snipers
before. It was YEARS ago. During this time, literally all the
best snipers used a maphack. If you do not believe that, you are
WRONG. Ironically, the one who you quoted saying "Maphack is
like a drug" was myself. I do not maphack now. The fact that
dozens of new players I've trained are getting better every day
is proof that I know how to play this game. Second: When I USED
to play DotA, I occasionally maphacked for fun. I have not
played DotA in months, and I would not hack in DotA to, as you
say, boost elo or stats. Winning to me is fun, and occasionally
I would use it to avoid ganks, but I would normally play as
KOTL, farm gold, then give it to some random kid in the game to
see his reaction. If you really believe that there is NO CHANCE
that I only used a maphack in DotA and not in Snipers, you are
simply naive, as well as incorrect.
The fact that you bet your life that I still maphack in Snipers
today is hilarious, because you would now be a dead man. I have
played countless games with you all, and you have had countless
opportunities to save replays of me "hacking". Not one replay of
me hacking has been produced in the hundreds of games we have
played in the past few weeks alone. I think a respectable member
of the community would look at the facts instead of relying on
what you call "my history".
The only history you know about me is what others have told you.
Some of it may be true, but I guarantee you that most of it is a
lie. You have every right to be suspicious of me, just like
anyone can be suspicious of anyone that they choose. However, to
come forward and say that you "KNOW" I maphack with absolutely
zero proof is just stupid. I can honestly say that I had respect
for you before you posted this, but now all I see is a sad,
pathetic attempt to ruin my reputation based on a joke of a
comment I made (about another game, nonetheless).
I am completely open for questions about my REAL history, and
always have been. I don't play this game for my ego, as you say.
That's why I am on as often as I can be, teaching these newer
players how to be good at Snipers, and telling them the game's
history to keep them interested. I am not a saint, and never
claimed to be one. I did not put myself on a pedestal. If
someone thinks I am a role model, it is their own opinion. I do
not claim to be the best player ever, and I don't claim to never
have done wrong, whether it be maphacking or clan killing. But I
was a kid back then, and now I am 20 years old. People look to
me for guidance, for teaching, and for friendship. I think
there's a reason why, and it's certainly not because I hack. All
I have ever asked anyone for are facts. When Akino banned me the
first time three years ago, I asked for evidence. Three years
later, he still has zero, since as we found out the other day he
doesn't know how to save a replay. The facts are this: I don't
maphack, and I certainly don't need one in Snipers to win.
Countless times I talk to what some would call "followers" of
Akino, and all they do is spew out hate and meaningless lies
about me. I am NOT saying you are one, as I know you are not. I
do think that you have been influenced by some people, though,
and that has swayed your "opinion" of me. That's fine, but
Focks. is a real example of this stupidity.
Focks is a newer player. He's a nice guy, but I never really
talked to him much when he first started playing, for whatever
reason. We were both in a few of the same Snipers clans, but
eventually Akino re-banned me (for the third "and final" time).
Focks said that they talked trash about me constantly when he
was around the East players, and that he had no reason not to
believe it. I'm sure he probably figured I hacked back then,
since that's all he heard from his leader. Soon enough he was a
shaman in RG. One day I was talking to him about Snipers and the
state of the game on Europe vs East. He didn't think Europe
could've been a good place to play, until he finally tried it
out after weeks of me asking him to. Focks started playing as
Khalemes because he didn't want people to know who he was, and
he quickly realized how much better Europe is than East. Using
his words: "Man, I can't believe I waited so long to switch."
Since the day Focks came over, I have taught him a decent amount
of what I know about the game of Snipers, and I have seen much
improvement. He can and will attest to everything I just said.
This is just one example of how twisted rumors can be. So the
point is, get the facts. Don't assume anything, because you have
already fallen into that trap once, and now (from my
perspective) you look like an idiot for it.
As far as "irrefutable evidence", you have zero. If you really
think that the "elite and older" generation believes that I
hack, I laugh at you. There is no elite generation left. There
are a couple older players, but VERY few have played as long as
I have, if any. Also, I have NEVER been 'caught' maphacking in
Snipers. Again, facts please. And where are these sketchy fses
that I pull? I do not use FS that often, so if you have replays
of me pfsing feel free to post them here. Again, these claims
have zero fact in them.
It is extremely disappointing to see you post this stuff. You
claim I play this game for an ego boost, and yet I am the ONLY
older sniper that teaches new players how to play. I am the ONLY
one that recruits and educates them about our history. Snipers
on Europe is more popular than it has been in YEARS. Snipers on
East is dead. Before you spout off a load of bull, why don't you
ask yourself this: What if he doesn't hack?
Until you start to understand the facts, I have lost all respect
for you and your "flawless logic".
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Re: A Questionable Case
By: Relentless Date: February 5, 2013, 6:53 pm
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Thing is Tom. Neither me or Celes are apart of Akinos East crew.
Me Drew And Celes and A couple others don't even bother with
your 2 dramas.
We simply state what we see and have seen.
And what you just said about Focks. Believing what Akino says
because that's what they all talk about and say so that's all he
had to believe. Is vise versa, because it's the exact same
atmosphere on Europe. Coming from a person who originated from
Europe GEN/3xS.
I don't think Celes or Drew care about Egos or who's best but
truly who is maphacking and hiding it.
And you sir definitely are good at hiding it :). But you have
exposed your self.
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Re: A Questionable Case
By: Plague Date: February 5, 2013, 7:02 pm
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Post a replay or your facts are baseless, I for one deal in now
not 10 years ago. I don't care about previous history if I was
to judge peng im judging it on right now, so I want to see a
replay b4 I would believe anything. Rel, you talk about being
'fed' his bullshit, but a. what kind of bullshit r u even
talking about? and b. you say you were believing him blindly,
isnt that what ur doing right now by believing cele when he has
not 1 shred of proof of mh in snipers? You've already told us
you havent even checked a replay of him rel, I mean u say u
watch two computers from both sides, wtf is that? You also don't
need a video recording program, just save the replay check for
mh actions and then upload to forum...
Ofc no proof will be produced, but its sad that the community is
being held back by ignorant and paranoid players like Akino.
Maphack might kill snipers, but not through the maphack itself,
but through the players seeing shadows.
FYI Dota is not snipers.
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Re: A Questionable Case
By: Admiral- Date: February 5, 2013, 9:20 pm
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plague is fo far up pengs ass he cant be rescued for the time
being
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Re: A Questionable Case
By: RaPeDmAN Date: February 6, 2013, 8:35 am
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Thx for the Post and replies. But i really think no one of you
guys have a plan what facts, what a mh or what reactions a mher
has when he is using MH. And btw, Akino your comments are just
useless. Even when i respected you years ago cause i heard you
are a legend. Now i see you are just ( to say it with your
words) a "bug".
I am not the man who care much about old times even when i am
sometimes talking about it. Cele i respected you as sniper well
and after this post i will do it too. I looked plenty times
replays peng every month an dthats what i am still doing. Not
only from Peng. I also look many other 3xS gamer in replays and
many BNeT player. Its not like you guys only have a plan of
MHing. This Photo you are showing only say sthat peng using or
used MH months ago in DOta. Since i play with peng i never saw
him playing Dota. Means he played it a long time ago. Also like
i said on top that i don't care about the past. The real FACT is
that he isn't MHing in any case. Thats what i just saw in the
around 150 replays of him. I can give you replays of real MHer
in Snipers and Bnet where you can see the OBV moves a mher does.
Until no one has a real proof for me an dall other i won't
accept peng mhing.
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Re: A Questionable Case
By: Tom Date: February 6, 2013, 8:51 am
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Here are your "heroic" leaders that want nothing more than to
see me take a backseat to their intent to "run" Snipers. They
assault me, assault Focks, randomly attack Plague for whatever
reason, and do not really care whether or not I hack. They
"don't need" any replays, they just want to be "running the
show", as Akino said.
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Re: A Questionable Case
By: Plague Date: February 6, 2013, 10:21 am
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I promise you, any warlock player knows about Clan SanD which is
what i was dicussing with Akino. Its like how all older europe
sniper players know gse from what I've seen. Maybe I shouldn't
bother talking to you anymore if everything I say is going to be
used against me.
Edit: Guess what, I have an great britain ip like tex because I
live in.... England. You know, that country with around 60
million people living in it. Mojo-jojo is another new english
snipers player, is he tex?
As for u rel, god the number of times u insult for no reason
about mh, pub, ward, etc., and ur saying u won't stoop to my
flaming level? I only retaliate to what others do, I promise you
that.
And I'm not seeing any evidence, still. Thats a question you
like to avoid; where are those replays?
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Re: A Questionable Case
By: RaPeDmAN Date: February 6, 2013, 1:33 pm
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This it how it goes....
Akino you should think about what you are doing. Focks left east
cause Euro is more active and you are a shitty trash talker /
flamer. You are /were only talking about you reviving
Snipers.... what i see is nothing. Even your shams switching to
euro cause nothing happens on east. I mostly see you flaming
other for non reason or non proof.
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