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#Post#: 1614--------------------------------------------------
She's right - and she's wrong!
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: July 15, 2021, 10:07 am
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From a recent post on STCC Facebook page, from Virginia Maier,
STCC Co-founder
[i] Even if I’m wrong and engineered earthen dams are different
from the tree-covered natural slopes that biologists study, it
is clear from both the current structure of the embankments and
the engineering documents of the time they were built that they
are and were not made of compacted earth. In the section on the
purpose of the maintenance manual, the EIS authors state that
the canal embankments were not built to modern engineering
standards. The fact that these – essentially piles of dirt --
have maintained their integrity for many decades is an
indication that TREES ON THE EMBANKMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN A
PROBLEM. In fact, one could argue that roots are part of what
makes these structures stable. Rather than preserve and study
these unique structures, the NYPA seeks to destroy a unique,
historic, functional structure to (sort of) recreate an
engineered structure that never existed.
[size=14pt]Well, you ARE wrong, earthen dams are different to
natural wooded slopes, and here is why-
DAMS HAVE HYDROSTATIC PRESSURE! NATURAL WOODED SLOPES DON'T!
It's about where the WATER is, or isn't, not the "trees".
THAT detail makes a huge difference!
Because it's the pressure that 15' of head water makes, ( the
depth of the canal) which relates to about 27psi of pressure at
the bottom of the canal. Most garden hoses are at about 40 psi.
So imagine a garden hose running at a pile of dirt. It would not
take too long to erode the pile away.
One thing this author is right about is that the dams were not
made the way the codes are written today.
They had little experience or records of dam construction and
failures back then, and because of that, early dam builders
weren't aware of 'angle of slope' or compacting earth to make it
less liable to absorb moisture. And these Canal Builders
certainly did not know about THE PHREATIC LINE, and the
importance of toe drains etc.
This is why the NYPA must do this work, to correct these
engineering errors.
Despite FEMA, USACE, NYDEC,ASDSO and Professor D. Gray, all
telling the Facebook group that trees are not allowed on dams,
they persist in saying trees have never been a problem, it's
naive to say the least.
In the approximate 100 years of the canal embankment life, the
first 60 or so, weren't so much of a problem, because the trees
weren't very big. Sheer neglect and ignorance by the Thruway
Authority, allowed the trees to reach the heights of today,
where 'blow-downs' are frequent.
HTML https://eriecanalfacts.wordpress.com/2018/06/29/huge-tree-blowdown-in-fairport/
I can imagine the residents of Pompeii saying the same about
Mount Vesuvius, as they merrily built more and more properties
adjacent to the mountain. "It's never been a problem before!"
Yea right!
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#Post#: 1616--------------------------------------------------
Who Speaks for the Stop the Canal Clear-cut Group?
DIR By: Doug K
Date: July 15, 2021, 6:49 pm
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Mike showed a few select points from Ms. Maier's Comments, that
were read into the "record" at the EEIP Zoom Call. You can see
what a dismal showing it was, two hours planned and "gone in 50
minutes". I listened intently to EACH of the Speakers,
especially those who we know are affiliated with that Fairport
Facebook Group.
I heard the "same old, same old" from all but one of the STCC
group, but was surprised by something...seemed to miss if there
was an "official" statement made from the Stop the Canal
Clear-cut group. Like... "We.. the 600+ members of the Facebook
Group known as..." I was pleasantly surprised when the proud
members started to post today and place those statements for all
to see.
It's rather interesting to see, and finally I have hit upon
EXACTLY what is wrong with this group... they all have the same
"malady". I will get back to that at the end of the post... so
read what these good people have to say... from a slightly
different point of view.
Here is Ms. Ginny Maier's Work... posted by none other than
Elizabeth Agte.
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And here is Kevin Gallagher's fine piece...
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And here is Bill Maier's statement, again submitted by Elizabeth
Agte.. hmmm. Bill never mentioned his group kinship.
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So, a Group Founder, and her better half, and one of the more
"technical" members and NOT ONE of them thought to start with...
"We, the 600+ members of the Facebook Group Opposing the EEIP
say this..."
Well surely their Group Admin, Founder, and "Fearless Leader"
Elizabeth Agte, said her words represented the Stop the Canal
Clear-Cut GROUP.... isn't she the voice for "her warriors"?
Elizabeth Agte's Zoom Meeting Statement
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It appears the majority of the members of this Facebook Group
has been left without a voice, while most of it's leaders, seem
to be speaking as individuals.
Not sure why?
But certainly this simple example of the "lack of group
leadership, should highlight just how disfunctional and
disjointed this group is. Not to mention disorganized,
discriminatory, and disappointing to its members. And also
disingenuous to the local Town & Village residents, as well as
providing a disservice to all Canal Neighbors.
Sadly it all started with dilussional leaders with a disputable
message, and disturbing tactics to spread it.
The Cure for the Stop the Canal Clear-cut Group
I promised I had "found the answer" to what's ailing these
folks, and this group, and probably everyone who hears about
unsafe canal embankments for the first time.
It's simple, and I discussed it a few years back.
These FOUR people, and probably most of the newer members on
Facebook posting now, all have the same condition.
It's called DENIAL... D-E-N-I-A-L.
And it also happens to be the FIRST step in the Change Process,
a subject near and dear to my heart.
You have heard people say " I know so much about that subject, I
could teach it". Well I do, and I have taught the Cycle of
Change as part of my career in Continuous Improvement, all over
the world...look me up. So there is a CURE for this malady of
Denial, and it starts by understanding the cycle of change which
is in the picture below, along with descriptions of each phase.
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HTML https://www.diagnosticimaging.com/view/four-phases-change
Now the BEST PART... there is a cure for DENIAL!
Well a possible cure, and it only takes 12 minutes to see if it
works. Think about it, 12 minutes of your life that may change
it forever.
When Continuous Change was being implemented, the video below
was handed out in book form. Each reader had to take it home and
read it twice. Then the next day the VIDEO BELOW was shown, and
if needed, translated during the showing. The the task was
simple, give you book to someone at work that would benefit most
from learning "who" he or she was, one of four characters in the
book.
Maybe you want to answer that question too?
HTML https://youtu.be/OvYCLxqkfvY
Sometimes there is nothing you can do about Life's Changes,
accept to learn how to accept them.
The Canal System is going to change, to make it safer, and more
sustainable, get used to it, accept it, learn to live in
"harmony" with it.
And please...stop whining about it.
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What makes Bill Maier's Statement Right? He's as wrong as his
wife is
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: July 16, 2021, 5:51 am
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Here it is folks, from none other than Bill Maier, (Virginia
Maier's husband- co-conspirator of the STCC lies)
And just in case you didn't understand Bill's affiliation with
the STCC, here is the link to the post by none other than
Elizabeth Agte.
HTML https://www.facebook.com/groups/374651252977621
My name is Bill Maier and I am a resident of Fairport NY.
My comments tonight concern liability. I believe one of Canal
Corporation’s motivations for the proposed tree cutting on Erie
Canal embankments relates directly to liability issues. The
Canal Corporation wants to avoid being held liable for losses in
the event of a canal embankment breach.
I want to make clear that the Corporation is relying on a weak
defense. The Corporation believes if it takes the actions
contained in its proposed management plan, the Corporation
cannot be held responsible should a breach occur, because it can
simply claim it followed the Army Corps’ guidance relating to
earthen dam embankments.
This defense will not spare the Corporation from being held
liable for losses in the event of an embankment breach should
one occur during or following the removal of embankment
vegetation. Here’s why:
The Canal Corporation understands today that canal embankments
are not the same as dam embankments. Its stance that they are
similar is a weak interpretation. Think about it. The force of
water being a dam wall is proportional to the depth of the
reservoir, which is proportional to the height of the dam
itself. The force of water upon a canal embankment is
proportional to the canal depth, which is roughly constant along
the length of the canal, regardless of the height of its various
embankments. For example, most of what’s behind the Great
Embankment here in Monroe County is a ravine carved out by
Irondequoit Creek, not a deep reservoir of water. Canal
embankments are not dams. The Corporation knows that today.
The theory that the Army Corps relies on for its guidelines
relating to dams — that is, tree root piping — is based on very
little actual scientific testing on earthen dams, much less
canal embankments. That tree root piping even exists on Erie
Canal embankments has never been documented. That such piping
exists and is a risk on Erie Canal embankments is weak
conjecture. The Canal Corporation knows this today.
The Canal Corporation knows the history of the canal as it
relates to embankment breaches. It knows that historically,
breaches that have caused damage have been disproportionately
linked to times when people have worked on the canal. Breaches
have not been caused by natural vegetation growing on the canal.
What the Corporation is proposing to do, work on the canal with
heavy machinery, is exactly one of the chief threats to canal
embankment integrity. The Corporation is ignoring this
historical data. And its engineers know that today.
I will conclude by thanking you again for the opportunity to
provide comment. I believe the Canal Corporation’s proposed plan
is based on poor interpretations, but interpretations that their
engineers know are poor, and if an embankment fails during or
after the Corporation orders the removal of vegetation, I want
the public to know the Corpration should be held liable for any
losses. Because the Corporation fully understands the scientific
weaknesses of their plan. And it conciously chooses to ignore
those weaknesses.
Firstly, Mr Maier states - "The Canal Corporation wants to avoid
being held liable for losses in the event of a canal embankment
breach."
So, obviously, according to him, there is potential for a
breach. This would be especially true if nothing was done to
repair the 'out of code' dams. But the NYPA have another plan to
ensure this would never happen.
They intend to do the following -
1. Repair the gouges in the slopes, especially at The Oxbow.
2. Resurface the slopes to provide at least a 2:1 base to height
ratio.
3. Check and infill all animal burrows.
4. Install toe drains to alter the PHREATIC LINE
5. Carry out regular inspections using drones.
These factors will ensure the safety of the citizens living in
the DAM HAZARD ZONE. Leaving it as is, is a recipe for disaster.
Each year the trees grow a few feet taller, and more susceptible
to a blow-down.
Of course, one has to wonder what qualifications Mr Maier has to
make these brash statements. Sounds like he is an amateur
lawyer, besides thinking he's a qualified dam engineer?
Obviously his engineering skills are limited, because he hasn't
distinguished between a canal embankment, and an earthen dam
canal embankment. One is subject to hydrostatic pressure, the
other is not. No mention of the PHREATIC LINE either, the most
important factor in causing an embankment dam slump, and a
breach.
As usual, the STCC and it's members are more concerned with the
welfare of a few old and tired Cottonwoods (widow makers) than
they are a 1000 Fairport residents.
It's disgraceful that they keep up this banter.
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Re: What makes Bill Maier's Statement Right? He's as wrong as
his wife is
DIR By: Doug K
Date: July 16, 2021, 6:39 am
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Please read this post, which also is related to these public
statements made by a small contingent of this Facebook group,
fighting Canal safety.
HTML https://ecna.createaforum.com/perinton-canal-embankment-discussion/she's-right-and-she's-wrong!/
The KEY words in Mr. Maier's rant...are in the beginning: I
BELIEVE
And what if his "belief" is wrong? Or what if his "believe" is
based on hearsay or unfounded facts?
You see a theme with ALL of these statement being made by the
group, I believe, I think, MY comment, I want... don't they have
anyone in the Dam Safety arena that can support their "thoughts,
beliefs, wishes or whims"?
Can't this group list even ONE professional, who specializes in
Earthen Dams, to add their valued voice to support them?
The answer is NO...because no one worth in Dam Safety would ever
support their preposterous ideas.
Listen, there was a time on this EARTH, when even "smart people"
believed "stupid things" were true...
Like the Earth being flat, or that the Sun revolves around the
Earth. Some people thought if you travelled to far on the ocean
your ship would fall off and dragons would eat you.
And still today, there are STILL "flat-earth" believers...
because you can't fix stupid.
I'm not saying Bill is stupid, but his ideas on Embankment Dam
Safety, might be.
In fact, I understand that Bill, holds a PhD, in something.. and
I am SURE it has NOTHING to do with Dam Engineering, Hydrology,
or Dam Safety Protocols. Now some might say that we at the ECNA
also aren't "Dam Engineers", and they are right, we don't have
degrees in Dam anything.
That's why WE, the founders of the ECNA, have never shared "our
opinions" about Embankment Safety or anything to do with Dams.
Folks, we have only placed all of the relevant facts and
information about the subject here, and also repeated what we
READ from learned professional in the Dam Engineering & Safety
fields. We have come to understand that the BEST thing for Erie
Canal Neighbors is to "work WITH" your neighbor, the NY Canal
Corporation, as they try to repair their property, and maybe
SAVE YOUR LIFE.
Mike Caswell and I understand the term "stay in your lane" and
leave Public Safety Embankment Repairs to those who are the
experts, not to "public opinions on social media". Maybe a
lesson that others in and around Rochester should learn?
Bill Maier mentions "liability" and says it's the "only
motivation" for this work, from the owners of the property. So
all of the talk in the EEIP Environmental Impact Statement about
flooding, loss of life, property, and devastating environmental
issues from breached embankments is just "fluff"?
Yes, there is a BIG RISK leaving Canal Embankments to their own
demise, and YES, both NYPA and the NYS Canal Corp would be
responsible, AND liable in the event of any Breach or Flood. And
the whole matter would make NATIONAL NEWS if all of that
destruction could have been easily avoided by simple & known
embankment maintenance work being performed, as it should have
been, for the past 50 years.
I'm sure Bill & Ginny Maier have a home owner's insurance
policy, and there's coverage for someone who may "fall down" or
get hurt on their property. They think the INSURANCE is
necessary, and pay the bill annually, not wanting to incur the
potential "risk & liability" for an injury or death themselves,
on their own property.
Embankment Repair, Maintenance & Proper Inspection are all part
of the "insurance policy" for Canal Embankments, but Mr. Maier
doesn't believe that the owners of CANAL PROPERTY should be
afforded the same liability coverage that he & his wife rely
on...really?
Why not?
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What makes Bill Maier's Statement Right?
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: July 16, 2021, 8:07 am
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Here are several government departments who are discussing
Piping problems on Dams. It's a long list for a reason, they all
understand what's at stake.
They all recommend NO TREES ON A DAM!
It appears that the group opposing this work can't find even ONE
piece of evidence to support their case, not even ONE website
that says they are right. Why haven't any of these members
listed a reference? Think about it.
HTML https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/67062.html
HTML https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiL-Zme0OfxAhVLCc0KHbIHCrUQFnoECAkQAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fscholarsmine.mst.edu%2Fcgi%2Fviewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D2375%26context%3Dicchge&usg=AOvVaw16A5jQjnOiSXZUf22jai_j
HTML https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiL-Zme0OfxAhVLCc0KHbIHCrUQFnoECAYQAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fema.gov%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2F2020-08%2Ffema-534.pdf&usg=AOvVaw12hJo-o0uaABODJC0tRQF3
HTML https://damsafety.org/dam-owners/internal-erosion-of-earth-dams
HTML https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjvxbyQ0ufxAhV9B50JHTsJAWc4ChAWegQIIRAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.des.nh.gov%2Fsites%2Fg%2Ffiles%2Fehbemt341%2Ffiles%2Fdocuments%2F2020-01%2Fdb-8.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2I1rYbh0RvLkditU7pIln3
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HTML https://www.fs.fed.us/eng/dams/olt/index.html#!10-failures
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While Trees are Uprooting on the Oxbow Dam, some in Perinton are
STILL in DENIAL
DIR By: Doug K
Date: July 20, 2021, 4:04 pm
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Can't be said enough, be careful who you listen to about
Embankment Dam Safety in Perinton.
Some people are STILL IN DENIAL about the Danger these overgrown
earthen canal embankment are posing on the Public.
Here someone states that just because the embankment didn't
break in all the rain, they "must be OK" by default.
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Of course this person ISN'T telling you about the BIG TREE that
UPROOTED on the TRAIL at the OXBOW EMBANKMENT DAM!
HTML https://ecna.createaforum.com/perinton-canal-embankment-discussion/tree-blowdown-at-the-oxbow/
Nope, she just wants to say "see it's still there...no danger".
That's like saying I didn't get in a car accident, why am I
paying for insurance? Or, I didn't die yesterday, my Life
Insurance is worthless. And worse yet, when this person is told
that the cleared embankment are all doing FINE in Brockport
area, she is a "mute" until someone finally posts that they are
"slippery" for his dog, and he sees some mud in places.
No washouts, no flooding... Brockport is doing fine. Apparently
MUCH better that where this posting came from with pictures of
Perinton houses surrounded by sandbags and huge washouts in
yards & streets.
But then again, our Earthen Dams have all been repaired, and the
Canal Corporation fixed MANY drainage issues related to the
Embankments. Just ask Brockport Residents and those living
west.. the ones THANKFUL that they don't live in Perinton or
Fairport, with all this delusion, denial & disturbing behavior
about.
Sadly, it looks like it just might take a canal embankment
breach, with a 60 million gallons of water racing down a 50'
tall earthen dam, causing a few hundred deaths, with several
houses destroyed in Perinton, before some local "fools" are
convinced they were all wrong about public safety near dams.
Somehow these fools missed that it wasn't about the "trees"...
It was about the deteriorating, unmaintained earthen embankment
dam that was under them.
Right?
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Perinton Group REFUSES to accept Adam Bello's SILENCE on Canal
Embankment as his answer
DIR By: Doug K
Date: July 20, 2021, 5:55 pm
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True to form, the DENIAL that goes on has many sides to
consider... maybe the County Manager understands what Ms. Maier
does not..
It's never a good idea to protest a public safety program for
canal earthen dams
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Maybe Mr. Bello's silence is a BIG indicator that he actually
DOES "understand" the issue, and probably has consulted someone
in the Canal Corporation or NYPA, to explain the issues, define
the boundaries, and review the plan on Embankments. I'm sure
someone in his office could read 325 pages and understand the
Embankment Work restores Canal Safety.
So what's the difference between Adam Bello, who accepts the
Canal work, and this Facebook group opposing the repair of
embankments?
That's easy, Mr. Bello probably didn't call the Canal
Corporation "liars" and accused them of "fear-mongering" when he
heard the facts, science, and best practices of authority groups
like FEMA, NYSDEC, and the US Army Corps of Engineers.
Because Mr. Bello may have ALSO seen that the NYS Canal
Corporation has had an embankment blowout in Macedon, is
currently closed at the Genesee River and other places due to
DANGEROUS water conditions, and is also busy removing a 80' tall
tree that UPROOTED on the highest hazard rated Embankment in
Perinton. that blocked the Empire Trail. And maybe he was told
that another "near miss" accident report is being filed
somewhere in NYPA right now.
No, the continued DENIAL of the embankment safety issues faced
by Canal Neighbors, living along the Canal, and the public using
the Canal System, will have to continue for this Facebook group.
They have nothing else to support their false claims that "trees
are good", other than their refusal to accept otherwise.
Even if Adam Bello does accept the truth, and keeps his thoughts
to himself...
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Re: Perinton Group REFUSES to accept Adam Bello's SILENCE on
Canal Embankment as his answer
DIR By: Doug K
Date: July 22, 2021, 2:53 pm
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So Predictable.
This was posted today to the Facebook Site of Ms. Elizabeth
Agte, who's pushing against Canal Embankment safety work. It was
in response to the "call to arms" for members of this group to
start emailing Monroe County Executive, Adam Bello
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Not sure why the "member" chose NOT to post this "herself"...
anonymous authors can save face easier I guess.
Well anyway, the ECNA was a bit ahead of this curve, when we
took the advice of Ms. Virginia Maier , another co-founder this
group, and the ECNA sent it's own email to Mr. Bello... which
you can read below. Note the Date & Time.
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As you can see, Mr. Bello has been made aware of the truth, and
also that these other emails would be coming along.
We are fairly positive that Mr. Bello will NOT fall victim to
the rhetoric of this Facebook group. He MUST listen to the Canal
Corporation, when they state that their Earthen Embankments are
UNSAFE for the public living around the canal, and those using
it in his county.
He is also smart enough to understand that when a New York State
Canal PROGRAM is being initiated, called Earthen Embankment
Integrity, which outlines trees and other invasive vegetation as
the PROBLEM, it is probably NOT THE BEST TIME to start thinking
it's better to "save the trees".
Mr Bello is also a "public servant", and is bound by oath to
serve & protect the people of this county & state, in his role
as Monroe County CEO
Ms. Agte, Ms. Maier, well they are not public servants, no oath
taken, and frankly, what they are doing is a disservice to the
public in some people's eyes.
You can't blame the "blind" that are being led in all this...
just take a look what "blind leadership" brings to the table.
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Do you start to understand? What this Eastside Group is saying
is going to happen along the Canal is horrible, devastating, a
blight on the canal beauty. Take a look at the pictures of the
Westside, where embankments were already managed by an
embankment clearing project.
Is this what devastation looks like?
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The NY Canal Corporation and parent NYPA, have stated they have
an issue with unmaintained, unmanaged, overgrown canal
embankments.
These embankments have become unsafe because of trees, tree
roots, animals building burrows by tree trunks & their roots.
Multiply that issue with the fact that ALL this vegetation makes
it IMPOSSIBLE for the Canal Corp to inspect THEIR PROPERTY, with
125 miles of raised earthen dams, and many have never had an
inspection in almost 100 years.
It's a disaster just waiting to hit national news. Probably will
be called the NY Canal Catastrophe on NBC with Lester Holt
These are earthen dams, they leak naturally, but without proper
covering of grass, which allows for a proper inspection, the
Canal Corporation cant see where the worst leaks are, and fix
them BEFORE they become a problem, if possible.
And the issue is VEGETATION...all of it. Trees to Ragweed, all
has to go.
Does anyone really think that it's OK to change the topic from
public safety and Fixing Unsafe Earthen Canal Embankments to
"Save the Trees causing the Problem" just because a group on
Facebook says that they think it's best?
With no proof, and only these sorts of misrepresentations by the
group's leaders?
Really?
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Re: Monroe County Executive Bello and the STCC
DIR By: Erie Canal Brockport
Date: July 22, 2021, 3:36 pm
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The statement that says it all
Does anyone really think that it's OK to change the topic from
public safety and Fixing Unsafe Earthen Canal Embankments to
"Save the Trees causing the Problem" just because a group on
Facebook says that they think it's best?
#Post#: 1645--------------------------------------------------
This is fishy!
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: July 23, 2021, 4:17 am
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I had to wonder why the author of this wasn't mentioned. Shy
perhaps? Or more likely written by none other than Lizzy
herself?
It certainly has that 'extremist' ring about it.
The real mystery here is that this group perpetuates flogging a
dead horse.
Does she really think Mr Bello will take any notice of this
rant?
I guess THAT is what is laughable!
Oh! Dear! They're getting more and more extreme by the day.
(I see LJ has reared her head again to pop in a 'like'.)
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