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STCC Leadership creates their own Embankment Integrity Program
Video
DIR By: Doug K
Date: July 9, 2021, 6:57 am
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What a hoot, and if you believe what's stated in this video...
you need professional help.
You have a choice folks...
You can believe the "outlandish ramblings" of a NYS Canal
Property & Trail PATRON about safety of Erie Canal Earthen
Embankments and what's needed to remedy the public safety
nightmare that the Erie Canal has become.
That is someone with NO history owning or maintaining any
Earthen Embankments, and little to NO understanding of what is
required for Embankment Dam Safety... and someone who has stated
there is nothing wrong with the Canal System, despite recent
embankment failures in 3 different locations on the Canal
System, that are still being repaired.
HTML https://youtu.be/uaQmEmIn25o
Or you have the choice to believe the actual OWNERS of the NYS
Canal System & property, who swore an OATH to protect the
residents of New York State, and are trying to keep that promise
by correcting a long standing safety issue with the aging Erie
Canal.
A NYS AGENCY with a long history of understanding water
impoundments, and what's needed to maintain public safety in and
around impounded water.
They are called the NY State Canal Corporation and their parent,
the NY Power Authority, who jointly own and operate many earthen
dams in NY State.
HTML https://youtu.be/s5wXVUZq690
Choose wisely... or you will end up like this Facebook Group,
who can't accept that "some trees are bad" and now are looking
like fools, trying to protect trees on unsafe Earthen
Embankments that are the "root" of the problem
And you may end up like the group's LEADERS, Ms Maier, & Ms
Agte, who operate this Facebook Group and still to this day will
not heed the warnings from the NYS canal Corporation about
Unsafe, Hazardous Earthen Embankments in their own community
HTML https://youtu.be/bbuJ31xvoOA
Just a note, anyone stating that "utter destruction and
increased global warming" will result from performing typical
earthen dam maintenance along the Erie Canal, may not be
accurately describing the situation at hand.
From 2018-2020 about 27 miles of Canal Embankments were
refurbished to a "like new" state. The Neighbors here have
plenty of oxygen without these trees, there was no utter
destruction, and it's preposterous to believe this Embankment
work had any impact on the global climate.
Ms Maier perhaps is trying to hype this situation just a bit,
pleading with her contingent group on Facebook to help her "save
face"... Call or write your local legislators.
And tell them what?
That Ginny Maier doesn't like something being done, that will
make the NYS Canal System safer, removing danger trees.
Really? Maybe instead it's time to Ginny exactly what she needs
to hear folks...She is WRONG.
#Post#: 1581--------------------------------------------------
Re: STCC Leadership creates their own Embankment Integrity
Program Video
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: July 9, 2021, 7:33 am
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The diagram Maier uses is simply not representative of our dam.
Here is a more realistic diagram of the actual embankment DAM.
[attachimg=1]
Note the steepness of the slope.
The outboard slope should be much less steep, a 3:1 ratio of
base to toe , and base to crest.
[attachimg=2]
The trees are extremely large, some 150 feet tall. The wind puts
great leverage on the roots, and blowdowns are common.
It is impossible to get machinery in to quell any breech.
Check out the slope opposite the Oxbow and ask yourself -
a. Can I walk down the slope?
b. Can a backhoe get down here to effect a repair?
c. Can anyone conduct an inspection for leaks with the current
undergrowth?
#Post#: 1582--------------------------------------------------
Re: STCC Leadership creates their own Embankment Integrity
Program Video
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: July 9, 2021, 9:38 am
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SO! No problems with trees in Fairport eh?
Check this out on Blandford Lane
HTML https://eriecanalfacts.wordpress.com/2018/06/29/huge-tree-blowdown-in-fairport/
#Post#: 1583--------------------------------------------------
Re: STCC Leadership creates their own Embankment Integrity
Program Video
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: July 9, 2021, 9:57 am
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Here's an email from a canal-side neighbor.
Mike, I just did a quick search, didn't read the entire article,
but the link below may suggest grass can be more beneficial than
trees in some cases. Grass is also great for over-topping and is
perfect for dispersing water. Deer, rabbits, bees, butterflies-
all benefit from these linear grasslands/clover patches. They
can dissipate seepage from the embankments as well. These
people need the facts before spewing ideas that lead to lawsuits
from our town officials- who refuse to do their own research
before misrepresenting our community.
HTML https://www.earth.com/news/trees-grass-carbon-sink/
The most ridiculous statement was that these trees haven't led
to one single breach in 100 years. How does she know this? I
highly doubt in an emergency to patch a breach that this
underfunded Canal Corporation did a thorough investigation of
what caused many thousands of leaks over the past 100 years. I
guarantee some were caused by uprooting trees. After 50 or more
years of neglect, the CC finally has the money and resources to
do something, which is why this program is so intense and
invasive. It's an emergency situation!
Also, they complain about the number of pages in these documents
they can't seem to make sense of. Isn't this what they forced
the Canal Corporation to do with thousands of our taxpayer
dollars? Full disclosure, transparency and detailed information!
Seems like they are skipping over a lot of these words and
extremely basic laws of physics and trying to find illustrations
or drawings they can visually understand. They obviously can't
and should pay to hire their own interpreters/professional
Engineers to explain things to them. Even then, they will find
fault and refuse to accept the facts.
This woman is just another pawn who was misled and provoked. The
redundancy in the STCC and their supporter's misleading campaign
needs to be ignored by the CC, our legislators and anyone who
cares about preserving our historic waterway and the millions of
gallons of diverted water it contains.
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Re: STCC Leadership creates their own Embankment Integrity
Program Video
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: July 9, 2021, 10:12 am
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A little more from our neighbor!
I'm basically responding to your emails and by now, figure we
have a closed loop in our communication. Feel free to copy and
paste or rewrite my comments. Liz has control of my
neighborhood, so I don't need anymore aggravation from her- as
she passes my house multiple times a day, stopping every person
she sees to get them on her side.
I do send notes to the Canal Corp here and there slamming Liz's
fake campaign. They got an earful about the history of how this
whole STCC thing got started and that this is a one woman fight.
Smoke and mirrors, misleading the public and abuse of social
media. I really painted a clear picture of how the CC, our news
media, town officials and tree huggers got duped into believing
the CC is corrupt.
I've also pointed out the fact that the STCC has lost sight of
the embankment fight and is slamming the CC for every single
thing they do- including the reimagine contest, the recent
breach in Palmyra...
If I took the time to look into the STCC page, I'm sure I'd find
a pile of information that would result in the dismissal of
these bully's desire to interfere with the Canal Corp's
embankment rehabilitation.
Mrs Agte is playing with fire! In this case- millions of gallons
of contained water in a leaky container made of dirt.
#Post#: 1585--------------------------------------------------
Re: STCC Leadership creates their own Embankment Integrity
Program Video
DIR By: Doug K
Date: July 9, 2021, 11:27 am
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This statement bout Elizabeth Agte seems worrysome, "she has
control of my neighborhood", perhaps a bit like a dictator
would?
They both seem intent on spreading false propaganda, trying to
convince smart people to follow "not so smart" leadership. And
always a message that is contrary to what is considered the
truth, and usually NOT what's best for all people involved...
After all its always about "themselves"
And "stopping every person she sees to get them on "her side"...
the problem is that her side doesn't fall on the same side of
public safety and the safety of Perinton Residents living below
large hazard filled embankments like the Oxbow Lake Dam.
Because in the end Ms. Agte will say she is "always right".
Even in the shadow of the mountain-sized stack of evidence,
proving she is very wrong about Erie Canal Earthen Embankments
and their safety.
Look no further than the EEIP Guidebook, the Brockport Flood
Inundation Maps, the SEQR Enviromental Impact Study done for
EEIP. The data & facts speak for themselves.
And weanwhile, Agte, Maier and the Facebook Group they run,
offer only "their valued opinions" and nothing more...
They just don't like what public safety looks like along a 200
year old Erie Canal...in the 21st century.
In fact, these "intelligent" leaders of this group say there are
"too many pages" in the EEIP Embankment Guidebook, and the
information provided is too hard to understand. Really? And
people still want to listen to these two when it comes to public
safety around earthen dams?
Why are Perinton Government elected officials not speaking up
and protecting Town residents from this misinformation campaign?
Why aren't Perinton Residents speaking up about this blight in
their midst?
Complicity is a terrible thing, and there are way too many
suffering from this malady in Perinton.
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Re: STCC Leadership creates their own Embankment Integrity
Program Video
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: July 9, 2021, 3:14 pm
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Heads in the sand perhaps Doug?
[attachimg=1]
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Re: STCC Leadership creates their own Embankment Integrity
Program Video
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: July 9, 2021, 4:47 pm
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I guess the 600+ members aren't getting Ms Maier's message, or
perhaps they've seen the light and pulled their heads out of the
sand?
[attachimg=1]
Only FOUR likes?
And one of them was MS Maier's husband I think. Ms Agte gave a
like (no surprise there) and our old stalwart pal Janice
Gouldthorpe added her name. (no surprise there either) So who's
Michael Steven? A newbie on the scene?
It is a real surprise - only ONE member gave a Facebook like so
far? It's sad! But I dare say, bringing this to the groups
attention might swell the likes numbers? I guess the STCC isn't
the driving force it's been made out to be! Another lie spread
by the founder of this group.
#Post#: 1588--------------------------------------------------
Re: STCC Leadership creates their own Embankment Integrity
Program Video
DIR By: Doug K
Date: July 9, 2021, 5:05 pm
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The only thing missing from that picture, signs on their
backsides that say "Kick Me".
Have to agree with the "head in the sand" thought, both
residents and especially the local village governments..who
should know better.
I suppose I just expect a little more from "elected officials",
who supposedly swear an Oath of Office as a NYS Employee.
Allowing a Facebook group to minimize the DANGER of hazardous
earthen canal embankments, by creating a pseudo-environmental
concern about shade & ozone layers, and leaving tens of
thousands of Perinton residents in Flood Inundation Areas sixty
feet below the canal flood level, seems like it is NOT in the
best interest of residents, nor does it insure their safety.
At least the many Village & Town officials, west of Rochester,
understood the basic principle that you can't allow the public
you serve, to REMAIN in danger, once another STATE AGENCY
informs you of that possible, impending danger.
I guess out west of Rochester, many town & village residents are
use to local governments that really follow the "for the people,
by the people" idea... And protecting the people from floods
falls under the "for" clause.
Science & Data are respected...along with placing the task
related to Dam Safety, in the HANDS of the owners of the DAMS,
not those who simply walk along the crest of it on a trail.
A bit different than what Perinton & Fairport are doing. It
seems that "the people" in your area are NOT considering safety
as a priority, and science/fact...well that is found on Facebook
for most.
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