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Town Of Perinton Cites Legal Action in 'survey'.
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: September 15, 2020, 5:36 am
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If you live in the Town of Perinton, you'll likely have received
a postcard requesting you take their 'friendly' survey to help
them plan the next ten years.
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What I find particularly disturbing about this 'survey' is two
fold.
Firstly, on page 8
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I find it incredible that The Town of Perinton would take a
stand against a SAFETY project and actually encourage residents
to join in. Despite all the evidence that the 'lawsuit' they
brought was to merely instigate the NYPA to carry out a SEQR
study, which they have complied with, they persist in attempting
to block A HUGE safety problem, which has been well documented
by FEMA, USACE ASDSO, NYDEC and several other prominent
authorities.
There are hundreds of people's lives at stake, and they persist
in this nonsense.
[size=24pt]Unbelievable!
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Re: Town Of Perinton Cites Legal Action in 'survey'.
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: September 15, 2020, 6:40 am
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Secondly -
On page 8 they ask --
While limiting development may lower demand for Town services,
it also limits the number of people paying taxes, because the
Town would have fewer new residents to share the tax burden.
Notwithstanding this, do you still support the Town purchasing
more open space and thereby limiting future development?
Surely, this is a double edged sword? They are going to spend
LOTS of money purchasing land? and that will lower spending on
services? Either way, it sounds like we'll lose.
There is no attempt in this 'survey' to reduce existing costs.
Our taxes are TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL. FOUR TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE
TO LIVE IN FAIRPORT AND PERINTON THAN EVEN PITTSFORD. Something
is dreadfully wrong here.
Perhaps we should merge with Pittsford? They seem to have a much
better handle on frugality.
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Re: Town Of Perinton Survey shows Officials are forgetting their
Oath of Office
DIR By: Doug K
Date: September 15, 2020, 7:54 am
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This survey & in particular the statement about fighting against
a public safety program, seems to border on "criminal" activity
if all facets of public service are taken into account. Perinton
residents, and those in the Village of Fairport should be not
only worried about this, but also should be questioning the
INTEGRITY of the Government Officials that are behind this
survey and this apparent[b] 'public negligence'[/b]
First, the Town of Perinton is asking it's residents if they
want TAXPAYER money to be used to fight against a NY State
Public Safety Program that is trying to fix a known safety issue
with Erie Canal embankments. They have put the statement out
that they are willing to put ALL of their residents in danger of
flooding, in danger of having to purchase flood insurance and
all of this nonsense will use taxpayer money.
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They don't believe the Canal Corporation's video about Perinton
Safety
HTML https://youtu.be/bbuJ31xvoOA
They seem to have forgotten they are supposed to be "protecting
& serving" the public's best interest, part of their Oath of
Office.
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HTML https://www.dos.ny.gov/corps/oath.html
HTML https://www.dos.ny.gov/forms/corporations/1750-f.pdf
Once again it appears that these Eastside Towns that tried to
stop the repair & maintenance work along the Canal Corporation's
unsafe canal system were not content with forcing a State
Required SEQR review, that has been done, now they just want to
stop the public safety work simply because they want to, and
also want to use YOUR money to do it,
Are Perinton residents sleeping on this one or are they just to
dumb to realize the danger their elected officials are putting
them in?
Maybe they will all wake up when FEMA comes knocking on their
doors, telling homeowners they need to fork over $3000 for
Mandatory Flood Insurance, because their own Town Supervisors &
Mayor feel unsafe embankments are better for the community than
safe earthen dams, and stopped the repair again.
Go read the SEQR report for this program, The Canal Corporation
has been very clear on the topic of FEMA Flood Remapping if
necessary, to insure public safety.
HTML https://ecna.createaforum.com/flood-insurance/the-canal-corporation's-answer-to-leaving-trees-on-embankments-flood-insurance/msg1186/#msg1186
[size=12pt]Is this just another example of that old saying: "You
can't fix Stupid"?
Except this time that stupidity could have very serious
consequences for many Perinton residents, both financially &
with a possibility of loss of life
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Not to mention that Perinton Taxpayers would be SUPPORTING one
state agency bringing a law suit against two other state
agencies... ridiculous!
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Re: Town Of Perinton Cites Legal Action in 'survey'.
DIR By: Doug K
Date: September 17, 2020, 10:28 am
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Now we know why questions on FIGHTING against the Canal
Corporation Embankment Clearing made it to a Perinton Survey.
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The entire Perinton "public" survey development process was
tainted and biased by a FACEBOOK group of
pseudo-environmentalist, why are trying to bully their
narrow-minded views of the canal through the Town & Village. The
group is called the Stop the Canal Clear-cut on Facebook, where
lies matter more than the truth these days. Go read their rant,
it has little to do with facts, and seems to exist to push the
"opinions" of their two main leaders... Agte & Maier
This STCC group, like many who are posting on Facebook, have
zero interest in public safety, or canal sustainability. It's
not about the science and facts around Earthen Dam Safety. it's
just about the LEADERS of the group saving face to members that
are starting to question their message. The group has a very
silent membership where less than 3% ever speak up.
And any member who might question the message of the STCC
leadership is banned, and ridiculed.
This group continues to suppress the Science & Truth about Canal
Embankments, Ownership of the Erie Canal, and who pays the Canal
Bills...which is NOT taxpayers. And they continue to toss out
any member that may speak out, any member they feel is not
drinking their brand of Kool-Aid...
See this post if you think we are exaggerating the truth.
HTML https://ecna.createaforum.com/the-stop-the-clearcut-argument/rufus-kendig's-ten-cents-worth!/msg1279/#msg1279
That's why long ago, the Erie Canal Neighbors Association
decided that membership is optional. We allow guests to view our
posts, look around all they want and even post comments here.
But we expect the truth to be used frequently, and also rely on
science for direction on public safety. We do not think it is
wise to leave "telling the truth" to a biased Facebook group &
it's leaders, who can't see the inherent problem with lying to
the public they pretend to be serving.
And we also have never understood why this Stop the Canal
Clear-cut group continues to do so with impunity...
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Re: Town Of Perinton Cites Legal Action in 'survey'.
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: September 25, 2020, 10:21 pm
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I guess they all went to a meeting! Sounds like Mr Stratton
attended, and the new town Supervisor is considered 'less than
lukewarm' to the STCC.
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Re: Town Of Perinton Cites Legal Action in 'survey'.
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: September 25, 2020, 10:31 pm
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I find it incredible that these few people are very ready to get
the taxpayers (us) to spend money on this nonsense, and fight a
safety project. They managed to persuade one town supervisor to
get involved, and he disappeared rather hurriedly. It would
appear our new town supervisor has a more reserved attitude
thankfully.
We've spent enough money on this, about $50,000 on legal fees
for the towns, and I hate to think of the millions it's cost the
NYPA in lost time and unnecessary SEQR surveys, engineer reports
etc. etc.
Messrs Agte & Maier seem to forget that their little courtroom
'win' was not really a win, because all they did was delay the
work, waiting for a SEQR report, which has now been completed.
So the stage is set for the final work which is to turn these
dangerous dams (not my words - see the Rizzo Engineering
reports) into a safe and easily inspected structure. Something
that is currently sadly lacking currently.
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Re: Town Of Perinton gets a visit from the CEO of the NYS Canal
Corporation - Why?
DIR By: Doug K
Date: September 26, 2020, 8:13 am
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Maybe the best explanation I can offer, and one that should make
many in Perinton & Fairport stand up and take note can be
covered in TWO MAPS.
Brian Stratton's visit isn't coincidence here, he's been trying
to explain SAFETY to this community, and especially to a
Facebook group that has been fighting AGAINST fixing a public
safety issues along the canal for almost 3 years now. While some
may think this canal embankment work is about trees, it is not,
it's about public safety to protect canal community,. people
lives & our property... nothing more.
And to show that the safety issue is REAL, Mr. Stratton can show
two maps to the Village & Town Leaders. Both are FEMA Flood Zone
Maps that show where people are safe and also where they might
be in danger.
The first one is the 2008 FEMA Map, it is below and the one used
now. You can check these out yourself using the links below
HTML https://msc.fema.gov/portal/search?AddressQuery=14450#searchresultsanchor
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And here's the SECOND MAP, it's the NEW Canal Corporation Flood
Maps from 2018, that could easily become the ones used by FEMA
if unsafe Earthen Dams are allowed to remain in and around Erie
Canal communities.
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HTML http://www.canals.ny.gov/Earthen_Embankment/maps/Monroe/Village%20of%20Fairport/Figure%2097G_%20FEMA%20Flood%20Hazard%20Areas%20-%20Town%20of%20Perinton%20and%20Village%20of%20Fairport.pdf
[b]So while some local trail users maybe whining about shade &
oxygen loss with the clearing of unsafe dams, remember that
those people are also saying they will accept the fact that many
in our community will be forced to pay more for mandatory flood
insurance as a result of their "blind ambition".
These Facebook Stop the Canal Clear-cut leaders & members may
feel they are "safe" themselves, but the maps shown tell the
truth... everyone in Perinton & Fairport is in DANGER of
MANDATORY FLOOD INSURANCE if they continue to fight against a
Canal Safety Program
Or perhaps this group & it's membership really don't care at all
about the plight of their neighbors or the cost to the community
at large. After all... it's a Facebook group, where the smarter
people in this world have come to realize that many things
posted on that website should also come with this understanding:
What's posted on Facebook should also include this simple
disclaimer: "Remember, it's ALL about ME, folks!
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