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Facebook Group Founder is all snippy!
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: June 14, 2020, 5:15 am
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A recent post to the STCC page.
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Ms Agte calls for a SEQRA process, gets her wish, and then
bitches about it. So, now, at this late hour, when their cause
is pretty much wiped out, they are going to be bothering all the
'officials' with their 'concerns'.
We all know what they are, and sorry Lizzy, it's old hat now.
Look around, there are plenty of trees around this area, and the
ones you are trying to 'save' are mostly junk Cottonwoods that
are continually dropping branches on the trails. They also
happen to be growing on an unsafe earthen embankment dam (as
determined by so many engineering entities). Hundreds of tons of
wood hanging precariously on a pile of dirt, with hundreds of
people living close by under millions of gallons of water, but
NEVER any mention of their safety. Why are trees more important
than people?
As for the 'damp seep' being a wetland, (as if Ms Agte calling
it a wetland makes it an official wetland - it isn't!) what
utter nonsense. It was wet because of a leak, which they stopped
by hammering in steel sheets. There was a real risk of collapse
at this point, and the purpose of the steel wall was to alter
the Phreatic line, to prevent a slump or slide of the dry soil
(that stuff with all those heavy trees on it).
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Of course it still cannot be carefully monitored because
inspection is impossible, as defined by the Rizzo Engineering
report stating Class C High Hazard Zone.
And that fiber optic cable, they already knew it would get
severed when they installed the steel sheets. If they hadn't
driven them in all the way down, there would have been a gap in
their 'wall' and everything would have been in vain.
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Re: STCC Founder is all snippy!
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: June 14, 2020, 8:38 am
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And there's more --
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What a complete load of nonsense. Of course they are displacing
animals. They dig holes in an earthen embankment dam, and put
hundreds of lives at risk of FLOOD!
No mention of the poor people living below this dangerous,
poorly maintained dam? They don't matter eh?
What about getting all those residents to write to local
officials stating they are worried about their lives and
properties?
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Why it's nearly impossible to stop NYS Canal Embankment Leaking?
DIR By: Doug K
Date: June 14, 2020, 11:03 am
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I had to weigh in on this one, not because of the totally absurd
comments being made by the STCC about Earthen Dams being covered
by grass, but because Mike is right about the "wetlands"
actually being a LEAK along that section of Earthen Dam.
By the way, the grassy covered Earthen Embankment Dams that this
group is complaining about, well it's actually the APPROVED
standard in our State for this type of Dam... true!
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So why can't these canal leaks be stopped seemed to be the
question... and the answer is "The Phreatic Line", just like
Mike stated.
It's key to understand that when the Canal Corporation pounds
those large metal plates into the ground, to "stop the leak" as
people think, the real truth is that they are only reinforcing
that section of dam wall, if that leak washes away too much
earth. Those metal plates buy the canal folks time to shut the
flood gates before the entire embankment gives way. It's a low
cost "insurance" option to avoid a wash-out flood event.
The Phreatic Line is a angled plane of saturated earth that
extends from the waterline INSIDE the dam, to the bottom of the
outside slope, called the Toe. This pheatic water line is
normally several inches below the surface of the outboard slope
and is where earth and pressures keep that water there. This
line does get broken easily, by tree roots and animal burrows
which can create issues with dam stability. The phreatic water
starts to percolate from the ground, over-saturating surface
earth, and then that ground slides down the slope creating a
weak spot, soon followed by a breach & flood. All earthen dams
leak... period.
The metal wall will sever that pheatic line and stop flow for
awhile, but the water will eventually seek it's own level and
drain downhill, causing saturation for any embankment that's
taller than the height of the metal plates used. Those tall
metal walls have channels in them that allow flow like this to
happen.
Fairport & Perinton listen up, the Barge Canal Earthen Dam that
is being discussed here is about 48-55 feet tall. It sits just
South of the Oxbow close to the Fairport / Perinton Town border.
The Canal Corporation pounded a 30' tall almost 300' long metal
plate wall into this embankment dam. Do the math... nothing will
change at the bottom ever water is still leaking out of your
Owbow Dam. It's a canal leak that is so old that it's now
considered a "wetlands marsh". And there is a large Power Line
overhead, built on pillars that are built on a canal leak.
Please call it for what it is, a New York State Barge Canal
Leak.
And call all this bantering by a group in your area called the
STCC for what it is, more fiction than fact.
Mike, I can't believe these people are still complaining after
all this time, and STILL will not admit that this Earthen
Embankment Dam clearing is about the safety of the Public, which
they are still trying to say is NOT as important as saving
danger trees & burrowing woodchucks.
But one GOOD thing from this STCC group efforts is that they
have actually IMPROVED the safety of the Public with their State
Environmental Quality Review request (they now are complaining
about this SEQR work). I will give credit where credit is due,
always.
Because the STCC asked for this new SEQR Study, the NYS Canal
Corporation took their original safety program, which was going
to clear about 50 acres of embankment along the Canal System,
and increased that 30 fold to about 1500 acres across 100 more
miles of Earthen Dams yet to be cleared. It may be even more now
that they have released their draft Environmental Impact
Form..calling for 100 feet beyond the canal property "if
needed".
The original project started in 2017 has already cleared 27
miles of man-made dams at 40 different embankment
locations...something that the STCC also could "stop", thank
god. And as you know we live on one of those dams with 4 NEW
leaks found on our property. Happy to report they are flowing
just fine today...no issues. Here's our pink stake, all wet and
leaking about 3' up from the Toe
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I for one would like to see this STCC group change their name
from Stop the Canal Clear-Cut to something more fitting... maybe
this:
Stop This Constant Complaining
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