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#Post#: 909--------------------------------------------------
The Patched fiber optic cable? Much ado about nothing?
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: January 17, 2020, 11:53 am
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A group railing against the NYPA (Canal Corp) have been
observing the latest work carried out by them at the Oxbow
Fairport.
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This is yet one more story where the main purpose of the fiber
optic repair has not been told, intentionally.
Here's what really happened.
The Erie Canal Earthen Embankment at the Oxbow, right under the
power lines, was leaking so badly, the Canal Corporation had to
shore it up. There was a HUGE pond at the toe of the dam,
adjacent to the apartment complex, and Jefferson Avenue. It had
recently been designated a class 3 HIGH HAZARD dam by Rizzo
Engineering.
The Phreatic line (a line where wet and dry embankment earth can
collapse under certain circumstances) was leaking above the toe
of the dam, and had been doing so for many years, hence 6 feet
high cat tails flourishing there.
To remedy this, the NYPA made emergency repairs by hammering in
1" thick steel piling sheets over 40 feet deep for over 200 feet
along the embankment.
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You can see this here in detail
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This very noisy, extensive and expensive repair done to save the
people of Fairport from flood, has NEVER been mentioned by them.
Why? Because, according to them, the canal embankment was never
going to fail.
The group claims the NYPA cut through an important Fiber Optic
Cable running underneath the canal, parallel to the power lines
unintentionally. They claim they were incompetent to surface
with their boring machine two or three feet from the target
after boring almost 100 yards under a body of water.
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In this diagram, you can see where the steel wall has been
placed. It also shows the dry soil above the Phreatic line, and
the saturated soil below it. Note also the fiber optic cable.
Bear in mind, the cable has been there many years, and the leak
above it has been getting progressively worse over that time.
Suddenly, the leak becomes an emergency, and not wanting to
cause a panic, the NYPA goes about the business quietly
repairing the dam wall. They know exactly where the cables are.
It's surveyed under the NY 'Call before you dig' regulations.
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But, there's a problem! The steel sheets need to go to a certain
depth to be effective. The Fiber Optic Cable is in the way. You
can't not hammer in one sheet to a lesser depth to avoid the
cable. The NYPA had no choice but to sever it, which they did.
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There wasn't a big hoo-ha about it. No one's light's went out.
No computers went down. 99% of Fairport didn't even know about
the peril they were in from a leaking dam.
If this cable severing had been a problem, why did the Canal
Corporation wait almost two years before repairing it?
They had it all figured out. They patched around it, secured the
cable ends and waited until, at their convenience, they could
issue a contract to get the cable reinstated.
It's s simple as that!
#Post#: 913--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Patched fiber optic cable? Much ado about nothing?
DIR By: Doug K
Date: January 20, 2020, 9:55 am
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Just an FYI: The math needed to prove how accurate the cable
drilling process is as easy as a right triangle calculator... it
shows that the cable bore was drilled almost straight as an
arrow to a target, 600' away. With all the variable around soil,
water, canal settling etc it amazing that the drilled hole was
less than 1/2 a degree off of where it was supposed to hit on
the other side of the embankment... just off by a mere 4'
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I guess it's always true... those who know the least about a
given topic seem to try and convince others that they do "know
it all".
For someone to complain about the accuracy of this operation is
pretty foolish. Just imagine in a golf match, someone hits a
golf ball from 200 yards and it lands 3 feet away from the
hole...and no one claps or yells. That is similar to what those
who are complaining about this drilling operation would do...
not impressed one bit with that shot.
It's mystifying how anyone would follow these leaders... they
simply do not understand what is going on with NYS Barge Canal
Repair at all
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The severing of an Optic Cable.
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: December 2, 2020, 2:32 am
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This was posted recently on the STCC Facebook page by Virginia
Borden Maier, with comment on the recent 'repair' of a cable
line that was severed during the shoring up of a VERY dangerous
embankment failure.
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If you look at the inset image, top left, you'll see an area
with wavy lines. This represents a SWAMP! Now, one has to ask,
where is all that water coming from? Here's a clue. This swamp
is some 60 feet below the canal - that's the body of water just
to the right.
Just a few feet to the north of this is the site of the 1912
breach, and it had an effect on the tree growth. Looking across
from the east side, there is a considerable dip in the tree
line. Obviously, the trees didn't grow as well here, and I put
that down to the fact that most of the soil was washed away.
There is also the bare spot circled where no trees have grown,
probably for the same reason.
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So, we have a swamp, and a previous site of a breach, and a
determination by the Canal Corporation that an EMERGENCY REPAIR
is required.
see
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The STCC Maier etc) claim that the Optic Cable was severed
accidentally, but if you look carefully at the first image,
you'll see that the NYPA was fully aware of the cable. It's
within their proposed area of repair.
Yet, they had an emergency, the embankment was likely to
collapse at any minute. They needed to hammer in 40' long steel
sheets to alter the Phreatic Line, but the cable wasn't buried
that deep, simply because of the embankment, and burying UNDER
the actual canal.
I believe a decision was made to sever the cable, and quietly
reroute it later to bypass the metal sheets, which is what they
did.
There was no negligence. This was a careful decision to save the
residents from an imminent flood.
#Post#: 1360--------------------------------------------------
Re: The severing of an Optic Cable.
DIR By: Doug K
Date: December 3, 2020, 11:11 am
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Because it's very difficult for some people in your area to see
these Canal Embankments and other people seem to have forgotten
how to "make-believe" I will help.
Here's what the Canal looked like behind our house in 2017.
These are two pictures joined together, one looking East the
other West.
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And now today that ENTIRE section of Erie Canal Embankment has
been uncovered... this is what an Erie Canal Earthen Dam looks
like. NOte the comments added to the image.
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And if you need to see that water leak just a little better,
here's a close-up with more comments.
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It's not hard to understand that water runs downhill, and that
water seeks it's own level. Raised water on the inside of an
earthen embankment or dam wants to get out... downhill.
It's also not hard to understand that anything with long roots,
like TREES that are growing on these earthen canal dams, can &
will try to reach that water supply and disrupt it...causing a
weakness that eventually erodes to an embankment breach.
This is the science behind dam engineering & safety, and the
same science that this Facebook group still wants to ignore.
Read more here about when Embankments become too saturated and
tree roots cause leaks.
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