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#Post#: 2014--------------------------------------------------
Facebook Group in Perinton asks: "Where is Governor
Hochul?"
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: February 25, 2022, 6:09 am
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I guess some of the original STCC members still don't get it!
Our current governor isn't interested in this Facebook nonsense.
She's obviously realized what most politicians are waking up to.
Trees on a dam are dangerous and are virtually outlawed by every
authority on the subject, like the NYDEC, FEMA, ASDSO USACE etc.
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Re: Facebook Group in Perinton asks: "Where is Governor
Hochul?"
DIR By: Doug K
Date: February 26, 2022, 8:59 am
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I know the answer to that question... Is she hiding from a group
of people who are "non compos mentis" on a certain social media
website?
See this post for more on that Latin phrase that we used
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But Mike left off the best part of what prompted those comments
& posts by this Facebook Group member, specifically Ms. Susan
Calia...
Like a new "Where's Waldo" game, it's now Where's Kathy in this
group of "concerned citizens"?
The catalyst for all the recent STCC activity was yet another
"rant" by the Leader of the Stop the Canal Corporation (STCC)
group in Perinton, that believes the Governor is actually "on
her side". when it comes to ignoring the safety of canal
communities, and unsafe, unmanaged Canal Property.
Maybe it was an attempt to "calm the leader" before she says
something "really" stupid, when it comes to her continued
ignorance of public safety along the Canal System.
Here's the latest whine by Ms. Agte to her "minions" in the
MetaWorld:
Elizabeth R. Agte February 23 at 9:17 PM:
I just returned from the Perinton Town Board meeting, where I
presented the following comment, as well as hard copies of the
letter, FOIL rejection, email from Rebecca, and the
Communication Tree from the NYPA September meetings.
We at STOP the CANAL CLEAR CUT continue to be concerned about
the plans and transparency of NYPA and the Canal Corporation.
The three supervisors, Adam Bello, Virginia Maier and myself
sent letters to the governor, the NYPA trustees chairman, and
the CEO of NYPA on December 21st.
On February 7th the elected officials received emails telling
them that a hard copy letter was on its way, Ginny and I were
not included until I posted about it on our Facebook page. The
reply was not from the governor but from the Canal Corporation
director and the CEO of NYPA.
The letter does nothing to calm our concerns. They still
maintain that there are two risk factors they have to consider
when determining clear cutting, the hazard rating and the actual
condition of the embankment. The hazard rating is what could
happen in a worse case scenario. The condition rating is the
actual likelihood of that scenario happening, based on the
existing strength of the embankments.
Though the CC likes to repeat to us that the raised embankments
in Perinton are high hazard, they will not tell us the most
important information, and that is their actual condition. When
we FOILed that information they refused to give us those
classifications.
When we asked them at the September information meetings for an
artist rendering of the embankments so we could actually see
what their vision was, they refused.
When Ginny asked twice for the name of the plant scientist that
NYPA is allegedly consulting with she was ignored.
(Thank you again Supervisor Hanna for hosting those meetings.)
They promise us that where the risks are low along the canal
they are willing to leave trees and habitat. But the risk is
determined by the hazard rating AND the condition rating, and
though they say they are committed to transparent dialog, they
are in fact withholding valuable information for communities to
make their own assessment.
Though Rebecca Hughes, Public Engagement Director, offered
repeated promises during their September information meetings
here in Perinton, that they were going to keep the public
informed about the changes to the guidebook based on our
comments during the comment period, her February 7th email to
the elected officials said that when materials are finalized
that they will meet with elected officials to look over the
red-lined document, and mentioned nothing about including local
stakeholders.
I want to thank all the elected officials who continue to stand
for transparency and facts concerning the maintenance of our
Beloved Erie Canal. We love the beauty, habitat, history,
economic vitality, and recreation that the canal provides. You
can’t uncut a tree.
There's a whole lot to take in their. But if you look hard, you
will see Ms. Agte mentioned everything she "loves" about the
Erie Canal, a whole list. But read her statements carefully,
Erie Canal SAFETY was not mentioned, not once, and she did not
mention that all of this tree clearing is happening on earthen
dams. But she did note they were "high-hazard" embankments, but
stated that didn't matter unless the "condition" of the
Embankment was known.
Once again, in that ENTIRE Facebook statement, Ms. Agte did NOT
say one thing about the SAFETY of the public or canal
communities. That is a message that the NYS Canal Corporation
has told this Facebook group, is at RISK, many many times
before. And still, that message is ignored, denied, and now
ridiculed by this group, and it's Founders.
All uncleared, raised Erie Canal embankments are HIGH HAZARD,
due to how many people are at risk for ANY embankment breach.
And the Dam Condition, it's a tree-infested mess, that can't be
properly inspected, all are assumed to be a danger simply
because REQUIRED dam maintenance has NEVER been done in over 75
years.
If the Leader of this Facebook Group ignores the MOST important
part of that NYS Canal Corp MESSAGE, why is she then surprised
if she is "ignored" by a Governor who does actually LISTEN &
BELIEVE the Canal Corporation, and their admission that they are
trying to help New Yorkers?
I am sure that Governor Hochul DID listen, when the Canal
Corporation discussed their unsafe embankment issues, and the
inherent risk of flood that brought to Upstate Canal
Communities.
And our Governor DOES have people assigned to insure that the
PUBLIC is kept safe from a dangerous canal system, and equally
dangerous fluff from social media. We at the Erie Canal
Neighbors Association know first hand, because the ECNA and the
NYSCC/NYPA communicate quite often about Canal Integrity &
Neighbor Safety.
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And once again, Ms. Agte wants to "twist arms" to get "her way"
with these politicians. She must believe that her "threats"
about 'upcoming election votes' matters somehow.
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She is trying to make the SAFETY of the PUBLIC in NEW YORK a
"political issue"... thinking she can threaten local politicians
and even the Governor of NY State with a "loss of votes" if they
don't agree with her "hair-brained" idea to ignore the NYS Canal
Corporation warnings about unsafe embankments.
It is NOT the first time that Ms. Agte has tried this
tactic...holding votes for support of their FB Group cause, and
it's won't be the last.
Is that what Perinton & Pittsford stand for... "tainted
politics"?
Here's that same post reply Mike showed... expanded to show what
the leaders of the group said... very damning statements on
their cause & leadership.
They DO NOT believe Erie Canal Embankments are unsafe, they DO
NOT believe the "reason" they were given, for their denied
Freedom of Information Request (FOIL).
In fact it appears this FB group's members don't believe
ANYTHING that doesn't come from the lips of their Leader, Ms.
Agte, or her Biologist sidekick, Ms. Virginia Maier, does it?
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Red Dragon of Greed?
Does Lorrain Parr, a local radio personality and key member of
the STCC, really think the Canal Corporation is getting RICH
from cutting down old dead Cottonwood Trees and clearing a
safety issue along the Erie Canal? Or is it all just concocted
gibberish, to increase her "radio following" among the Facebook
Group?
Yes folks, she must still believe that "clear-cutting" is
happening.
And this CRAP is all from a Social Media group (MetaBook) that
wants to now give Erie Canal Embankment TREES their own Facebook
Accounts. They somehow believe that those trees can "tell us"
what they think.
Maybe it's just a ploy by the Group's Leadership, to increase
the size of their OWN Facebook Group.
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I can see the ECNA reporting in the future that "mysteriously"
every Erie Canal "tree" with a new FB account, also signed up to
this crazy group of "pseudo-environmentalist". I know it would
be funny, but with this group... you never know.
Watch for some new STCC group members with names like Mr. Ash,
Ms. Maple, and Baron Von Cottonwood.
And it turns out that those Canal "trees" group members still
couldn't post their own words on that STCC page.
The TREES tried to say they actually WANTED to be cut down, just
to insure they acted responsibly for the SAFETY of the
Embankment that grew up on, and the SECURITY of the Erie Canal
communities, living below them.
But they were thwarted: Their pleas for REMOVAL on that STCC
Facebook Group page were stifled by group founders who thought
they should speak for those trees... LOL.
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#Post#: 2019--------------------------------------------------
Re: Power of the People?
DIR By: Doug K
Date: February 26, 2022, 9:11 am
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This picture was used in another post... but seems appropriate
here as well.
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Re: Facebook Group in Perinton asks: "Where is Governor
Hochul?"
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: February 28, 2022, 3:23 am
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Here is a case of pure stupidity and ignorance. Who does Maier
(& Agte) she think she is? Why would they release sensitive
documentation to a biology teacher and a bee keeper? It's
ridiculous to the extreme. The arrogance of these two is almost
beyond belief.
I have previously mentioned that I had an military expert on
terrorist activities look at this and I can assure you there is
a serious problem here.
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Re: Facebook Group in Perinton asks: "Where is Governor
Hochul?"
DIR By: Doug K
Date: February 28, 2022, 6:21 am
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So let's review what this MetaBook Group, and its two
Co-Founders, are now saying:
1) The NYSCC is "clear-cutting" trees along the Erie Canal, for
no apparent reason, because those two Founders still refuse to
believe the embankments are a danger to the public, despite 500
pages of SEQR documentation saying otherwise.
2) The don't accept the reason they can't get the information
they asked, for regarding canal embankments, is due to a
terrorism risk because they don't care to "believe" what the
Canal Corporation tells them, ever.
So what is their reason if it's not terrorism concerns?
3) They mock, ridicule, and basically are calling the NY State
Canal Corporation "liars", because they won't listen to Ms Agte
or Ms Maier's version of canal safety or include them in the
conversation about Erie Canal Integrity improvements, that the
group feels are unnecessary.
It appears that this social media group is just another bunch of
"agitators", similar to those who toured the US Capital on
January 6, except they chose to rally for the canal trees in
Rochester.
4) This group on social media, claims the Erie Canal Embankment
Integrity Program should be about "shade & scenery", not about
public safety or the sustainability of the Canal System...both
of those issues are still being denied by this MetaBook group.
Of course, this Facebook group is wrong on all counts, but it's
not because of the members... this type of group "behavior"
starts at the top, and filters down in most cases.
And it is no wonder that the Canal Corporation has stopped
including these two Founders, in any communication, regarding
this critical Canal infrastructure and public safety effort.
It's become VERY obvious now, that the group, who is living in
the "Metaverse of the Facebook World", has lost all touch with
the REALITY of the real world that the rest of us live in.
In that world we listen to Dam Owners, who have 100 year old
overgrown earthen dams that are a danger.
And we work together as a society to help clear the danger and
restore safety to the Canal System and the Public using it.
There is only one reason this group has become so "lost in the
weeds" regarding public safety along the Erie canalway.
It's a common problem we all have seen before....
it is 100% due to Poor Leadership
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