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#Post#: 2001--------------------------------------------------
Earthen Embankment Dams fail, see why!
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: February 19, 2022, 6:55 am
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HTML http://ponce.sdsu.edu/documented_cases_of_earth_dam_breaches.html
[move]And The Perinton Dam has many of these problems.[/move]
#Post#: 2003--------------------------------------------------
Re: Earthen Embankment Dams fail, see why leaks and burrows are
to blame.
DIR By: Doug K
Date: February 19, 2022, 9:29 am
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When you look at that website Mike posted, and see what caused
many Embankment Dams to breach.
The overwhelming majority are for what is known as
"overtopping", a condition where the pool of water being held
back by the dam, rises and flows over the Dam Crest. That causes
erosion, and that soil erosion starts the breach from top
downward cutting through the outboard slope of the
embankment/dam.
But what about the "other causes" listed in that Dam Failure
Analysis Report?
There were PLENTY of embankment dams that failed, and flooded
their communities because of LEAKS, PIPING and ANIMAL BURROWS
which were ultimately determined to be the root cause of the
embankment failures, there's a few listed below from that Report
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HTML http://ponce.sdsu.edu/documented_cases_of_earth_dam_breaches.html
And here's another whole page of Dam Failures that were NOT
caused by rising water behind the earthen impoundment, but were
instead caused by water seeping through the earthen soil, or
oversaturating the embankment, or being compromised by burrowing
animals.
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Even New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
says that LEAKING DAMS are a concern that needs to be corrected
and monitored for the SAFETY of the public. They have dedicated
a whole section of their website to Dams and Dam Safety.
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HTML https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/67244.html
It should be pretty clear to most people, even those with
limited dam knowledge, that leaking water impoundments, also
called EMBANKMENTS, are probably a "bad thing" to have in your
community. Say it.. Leaking Dams are Bad!
It truly sounds like a "common sense" statement meant to warn
the public of a ever-present danger on the NYS Canal System.
#Post#: 2004--------------------------------------------------
Re: Earthen Embankment Dams fail, And some in our Community
Refuse to Believe It!
DIR By: Doug K
Date: February 19, 2022, 9:37 am
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It should be pretty clear to most people, even those with
limited dam knowledge, that leaking water impoundments, also
called EMBANKMENTS, are probably a "bad thing" to have in your
community.
Say it.. Leaking Dams are Bad!
It truly sounds like a "common sense" statement meant to warn
the public of a ever-present danger on the NYS Canal System.
So can anyone explain why a local Facebook Group still refuses
to BELIEVE what the Canal Corporation is saying about hazardous,
unsafe leaking earthen embankments that makeup 100 miles of the
Erie Canal?
Here's a local news article discussing the leaking embankments
along the Erie Canal, and what a leader of that social media
group said then about the issue of leaking canal embankments
endangering NYS Canal Communities
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HTML https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/rochester/news/2021/09/21/canal-corporation-holding-public-meetings-in-perinton-to-address-need-for-clearing-trees
And most recently the Canal Corporation has let several Monroe
County government leaders know, IN WRITING, that they intend to
FIX the issues with their leaking Erie Canal embankments, for
the safety of canal neighbors and communities who are within the
Flood Zones of their unsafe earthen embankments.
The letter to the Brighton Town government is included below,
along with the reply by Ms. Elizabeth Agte on her Facebook Page,
who still sees fit to denounce the Canal Clearing as more "blah,
blah, blah", and she STILL CLAIMS there are "no good reasons
presented for the removal of trees"
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It's almost absurd to think Ms. Agte can't understand the DANGER
she is proposing to keep her community and her neighbors in, by
her continued REFUSAL to accept what the OWNERS of the NYS Canal
System are saying about their OWN property, and how that
property has become UNSAFE to the public using it, and living
near it.
Who does Ms. Agte think she is fooling with her denial of the
truth?
The only ones being "taken in" by this load of crap, are the
ones who joined her group on Facebook in the first place.
Just for the record, speaking on behalf of the hundreds of
homeowners who live adjacent to one of these 100 year old,
leaking, earthen embankments, and the thousands of residents who
live in communities that could be devastated by a embankment
breach described in this Forum Post...
It will be a cold day in Hell before we let someone like
Elizabeth Agte, who "visits" the Canal Property for her daily
"constitutional walk", decide what is safe or not safe for all
of the Erie Canal Neighbors living below these unsafe earthen
Canal embankments.
Canal walkers who seem to consider themselves "stakeholders" in
Erie Canal embankment safety, are not really stakeholders. The
day the canal embankment breach happens, they can go find other
places to walk and whine about why they can't use their "normal"
trail.
REAL STAKEHOLDERS will be trying to pickup the pieces of their
shattered lives and flooded properties, or maybe they already
died trying...
Ms. Agte, your [i]"humble opinion" and the whims & inklings of
your Stop the Canal Clear-cut group members, [b]will NOT decide
the safety of our Erie Canal communities.
Those community neighbors, that you have turned your back on
with your desire to keep the "status quo & shade" are not going
to let you do that... we have too much at stake to let a
"part-time" visitor to Canal Property decide their fate or
future.
Ms. Agte, you and your Facebook Group WILL NOT DECIDE when our
lives, our families, and our properties are at risk of being
lost in a breach of a canal embankment.
We do NOT value your "humble opinions" about Erie Canal public
safety... because you only are in DENIAL about it![/i][/b]
GO READ THIS:
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LIFE you save may be your own![/move]
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HTML https://www.change.org/ErieCanalDam[/move]
When will enough be enough for these eastern Monroe County canal
villages and towns? When will the public WAKEUP to the "danger
from within" like a Facebook Group being run by an
incompetent.... well I'll stop here. Some things are better left
unsaid
#Post#: 2016--------------------------------------------------
Re: Earthen Embankment Dams fail, understand why, or are you one
of these people?
DIR By: Michael Caswell
Date: February 25, 2022, 3:26 pm
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He said -- "I'll stop here. Some things are better left unsaid"
Nah! Doug, say it -- NINCOMPOOP!
#Post#: 2017--------------------------------------------------
Re: Earthen Embankment Dams fail, but some can NEVER understand
why.
DIR By: Doug K
Date: February 26, 2022, 7:52 am
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Hmmm, That is an interesting choice of words to use to describe
a person who can't seem to "grasp common sense".
Especially coming from Mr. Caswell, an Englishman with a long
family history in both Great Britain and the United States.
He had quite a selection of words he could have used.
I didn't want to say it myself. And I wasn't going to use such a
"friendly term" to describe someone, who is actively leading a
social media group, in a campaign to stop a NYS Program
dedicated to RESTORING SAFETY on one of NYS greatest assets, the
Erie Canal System.
But Mike has hit the nail on the head, once again... according
to a web article on the 9 Greatest British Insults
Anyone doing something like ignoring the danger of "High-Hazard"
dams in their community, would have to be "Not Of Their Right
Mind".
Read the Article below and see for yourself... Mr. Caswell
picked the PERFECT word to use here... "not mentally sound"
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HTML https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/50449/origins-9-great-british-insults
In addition, anyone who would follow such a group, and think
opinions matter more than science & facts about Dam Safety,
would also be classified as a "Nincompoop" in most people's
opinions. Anyone fighting to STOP Erie Canal Embankment Safety
efforts would have to be considered "not of a right mind".
Perhaps today's word for this behavior is: Imbecile? Ignorant?
Infantile?
I guess Nincompoop works just fine...
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