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DIR By: Matt
Date: August 13, 2010, 6:30 pm
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I thought I'd post this, for no other reason then I can.
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[15:12] <Matt-_-> Yo
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[15:16] <@Firetools_> yo ho
[15:17] <@Firetools_> Matt-_- so continue
[15:17] <Matt-_-> On what, exactly? Nameks?
[15:17] <Matt-_-> That was pretty much it.
[15:18] <@Firetools_> yeah so explainabke paragraphs?
[15:19] <Matt-_-> Huh?
[15:19] <Matt-_-> Explainable paragraphs?
[15:21] <Matt-_-> I don't understand
[15:21] <@Firetools_> explantion/ flavour ext
[15:22] <Matt-_-> I'd rather them be seperate.
[15:23] <Matt-_-> That way Warrior types can't be healing
others.
[15:53] <@Firetools_> ood point
[15:56] <Matt-_-> Yup.
[15:56] <Matt-_-> It may be a little odd, but it helps create
distinct classes.
[15:59] <@Firetools_> Yeah... but no doubt we'll have to find a
vbetter ystem eventually to avoid complaints
[15:59] <Matt-_-> Yeah, but it makes sense canonically.
[16:00] <Matt-_-> It will need some working, regardless.
[16:03] <Matt-_-> Also, I've been thinking about Kai's. And I
think it should be an ascended rank, regardless of species.
Maybe add something to explain, like Majin Buu wiped out too
many of the Kai's species or something.
[16:04] <@Firetools_> I don't even think kais should have there
own species... nowhere in the anime did it say they had there
own,
[16:06] <Matt-_-> Yeah, but the wiki says they do.
[16:06] <Matt-_-> And the wiki is pretty good about these
things.
[16:06] <Matt-_-> But whatever. Kai's are ascended other
beings..
[16:07] <@Firetools_> I say this is the one canon thing we
should change.... aNd yes ascended other beings is perfect
[16:08] <Matt-_-> Cool. Wanna explain it as casting off their
species to attain a higher form of power or something?
[16:08] <Matt-_-> Comes with a skin color change and whatnot?
[16:08] <Matt-_-> Nice blue or purple?
[16:09] <@Firetools_> any skin color really
[16:09] <@Firetools_> I remember one was orange
[16:09] <@Firetools_> but yes I like that
[16:09] <Matt-_-> Yeah, I suppose. Just not regular. Or green.
[16:09] <Matt-_-> Or pink.
[16:10] <Matt-_-> ... I think that's all the species.
[16:10] <@Firetools_> Noone ever said they HAD to be different,
but they'd most likely change
[16:10] <@Firetools_> It's not all but most
[16:10] <Matt-_-> They do become a different species.
[16:10] <@Firetools_> let's keep it to this
[16:10] <@Firetools_> the skin colors i meant
[16:11] <Matt-_-> Okay, that works.
[16:18] <@Firetools_> So onto Breaking down moves?
[16:19] <Matt-_-> Okay, I think Magic is simple enough.
[16:19] <Matt-_-> Just applyign elemental typing and whatnot.
[16:19] <Matt-_-> So let's forcus on physical.
[16:20] <@Firetools_> What about ki as well
[16:21] <Matt-_-> I'm still saying Ki works better as an energy
source.
[16:22] <Matt-_-> Just mix it in with Physical.
[16:32] <@Firetools_> Lol ok
[16:32] <@Firetools_> But Kamehameha/
[16:32] <@Firetools_> isn't truley physical
[16:34] <Matt-_-> Yes, but it does physical damage.
[16:34] <Matt-_-> So it's close enough.
[16:35] <@Firetools_> But so does Black Magic
[16:35] <Matt-_-> ... not neccesarily.
[16:35] <Matt-_-> I like the Jankenpon deal we've got set up.
[16:35] <Matt-_-> Physical > Magic > Tech
[16:36] <Matt-_-> Just use Ki blasts as a way to deal distanced
Physical damage.
[16:36] <Matt-_-> And Black Magic can deal Magical Damage.
[16:37] <@Firetools_> I still thinking we give Ki Blasts a
different section, and Split White/ Black MAgic
[16:38] <@Firetools_> We don't need subsection bigger than the
section
[16:38] <@Firetools_> So we'd have Tech>Ki>Phys.>Black>White
[16:39] <Matt-_-> ... but that creats a situation in which White
Magic Beats Tech...
[16:39] <Matt-_-> White Magic should beat Black Magic
[16:39] <@Firetools_> All should be able to be equaled, or not
compared at all
[16:39] <@Firetools_> Anime never has one thing beating the
other
[16:41] <Matt-_-> .... hmm...
[16:41] <Matt-_-> I suppose.
[16:42] <Matt-_-> ... but what can physical have without ki?
[16:42] <@Firetools_> Beast Trans. almost rely on Phys. in the
anime
[16:43] <Matt-_-> Hmm... okay, we'll go with this.
[16:43] <Matt-_-> But Ki is availible to all.
[16:43] <Matt-_-> No specialization.
[16:43] <@Firetools_> Ki as well as limited Phys. and Tech.
[16:44] <Matt-_-> ... Tech?
[16:44] <Matt-_-> Oh, right.
[16:44] <Matt-_-> Hmm... well, of course.
[16:45] <Matt-_-> But so little that putting too much effort
into it would be useless for Magic classes.
[16:46] <@Firetools_> So let's breakdown Ki and Magic first,
They'll be easiest...(Mind copying this to notepad or word?)
[16:46] <Matt-_-> Okay, give me a second.
[16:47] <Matt-_-> Done. So Magic is being split?
[16:48] <Matt-_-> With White Magic being healing, aiding,
creating magic? Black being hurting, cursing, destroying magic?
[16:48] <@Firetools_> Yeah, It leaves more room to add details
[16:48] <@Firetools_> Black Magic Being more Deteriation
paralzation efecs
[16:48] <@Firetools_> Illusion summoning and the like
[16:49] <Matt-_-> Hmm,,, Illusion could be both....
[16:50] <Matt-_-> So, I'm thinking tiered elemental effects for
Black Magic.
[16:51] <Matt-_-> Fire I, Fire II, Fire III, Fire IV, and Fire
V.
[16:51] <Matt-_-> Each going up in power from the last.
[16:53] <@Firetools_> I think Fire, electric and the like should
be a combo of KI AND Black magic
[16:53] <Matt-_-> ... I'm not sure.
[16:53] <Matt-_-> That kinda weakens magic.
[16:55] <Matt-_-> I guess we could add a ki control requirement
if you're that keen on it,.
[16:56] <@Firetools_> let's leave it to magic
[16:57] <Matt-_-> Okay,
[16:57] <Matt-_-> So, Fire, Electric
[16:57] <Matt-_-> Ice?
[16:58] <Matt-_-> Darkness
[16:59] <Matt-_-> Air?
[16:59] <Matt-_-> I think that's all the elements I can explain
within reason.
[17:02] <@Firetools_> Fire, Ice, Electric, Air, Aura(Dark
doesn't sound right
[17:03] <@Firetools_> and for those really strong chracters
[17:03] <@Firetools_> they can combine there magic with there Ki
[17:03] <Matt-_-> Dark would be like Gravity and Black Holes.
[17:06] <@Firetools_> Oh, ok let's use dark than
[17:06] <Matt-_-> Cool
[17:06] <Matt-_-> Those Five elements seem good.
[17:07] <Matt-_-> Then White Magic can have Light.
[17:09] <@Firetools_> just be the opposite... actually why dont
we make elemental magic neutrl?
[17:09] <@Firetools_> White magic seems too underpowered
[17:09] <Matt-_-> Not really.
[17:10] <Matt-_-> Considering they'd be a healing class mostly..
[17:10] <Matt-_-> Light could be used offensively against evil
or something along those lines.
[17:11] <Matt-_-> People generally know what their getting into
with White Mages.
[17:13] <@Firetools_> but elemental is hardly black magic
[17:13] <Matt-_-> Yes, but it's damaging.
[17:13] <Matt-_-> And that is Black Magic.
[17:16] <Matt-_-> ... maybe then can have base amount of
elemental spells, but nothing too high level.
[17:17] <@Firetools_> Hmmm...Let's go back to magic later xD
[17:17] <@Firetools_> Phys modifiers?
[17:18] <Matt-_-> ... this is slightly harder.
[17:19] <Matt-_-> Well, different levels of strength are
obvious.
[17:19] <Matt-_-> So is speed.
[17:19] <Matt-_-> Maybe something like Ancient Teachings, which
give knowlege of chi points to daze the opponent.
[17:21] <@Firetools_> Yeah certain Skills Like for example:
[17:22] <@Firetools_> Vital Points +4- You gain knowledge of all
Vital points on (race here)'s body,
[17:22] <@Firetools_> and it'd be +4 for each race
[17:22] <Matt-_-> Well, maybe +2 for your own race.
[17:23] <@Firetools_> Well of course D
[17:23] <Matt-_-> And possible +6 for Buu's, given their ... odd
anatomy.
[17:23] <Matt-_-> Majin, I mean.
[17:23] <@Firetools_> it'd be kind of odd if you didnt know
where a humans heart was
[17:23] <Matt-_-> Yeah. :p
[17:23] <@Firetools_> and Not all races can be hit by this
ability
[17:24] <Matt-_-> Like Androids and Majin?
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[17:25] <Latias> o.o
[17:26] <Latias> mechanics?
[17:26] <@Firetools_> Androids have Vital parts correct/
[17:26] <Latias> yes
[17:26] <@Firetools_> But Majins need to be completely destroyed
[17:26] <Matt-_-> Yes, but it'd make more sense for that to be a
Tech skill.
[17:26] <Latias> Since krillan marries one :P
[17:26] <Latias> THE MAJINS RULE
[17:26] <@Firetools_> Lati go to our forum and read up... and xD
[17:26] <Matt-_-> Android 18 was a Cyborg.
[17:27] <Matt-_-> Hence her mechanical womb and whatnot.
[17:27] <@Firetools_> haha
[17:28] <@Firetools_> TEchnically she became a bio android
[17:28] <@Firetools_> or was it human/
[17:28] <Matt-_-> Technically, she became a bio gynoid, if we're
being specific.
[17:29] <@Firetools_> but is she considored Human or an android
with human capabilities
[17:29] <@Firetools_> And we're gonna have to go in depth with
androids I fear
[17:29] <Matt-_-> She's considered an Android.
[17:29] <Matt-_-> For all intents and purposes.
[17:32] <@Firetools_> but she had a child...
[17:32] <@Firetools_> which means she has a vagina
[17:33] <Matt-_-> Yup, she's a cyborg.
[17:33] <Matt-_-> But she's basically just a hollowed out human
body, filled with mechanical parts.
[17:33] <Matt-_-> Mimicing her old human ones.
[17:35] <@Firetools_> Oh wait in the RP she's obviously gonna be
Androi
[17:35] <@Firetools_> duh
[17:35] <@Firetools_> Frieza fucked up
[17:35] <Matt-_-> ... Huh?
[17:36] <Matt-_-> How so?
[17:37] <@Firetools_> she never killed the saiyans xD
[17:37] <Matt-_-> Frieza is a guy.
[17:37] <Matt-_-> ... or Male, at least.
[17:38] <@Firetools_> So the Saga is set after tehe Original DBZ
by 200 years and he never killed saiyans
[17:38] <@Firetools_> he is male
[17:38] <@Firetools_> typo xD
[17:38] <Matt-_-> Ah, so, wanna have the Androids have abandoned
earth and gone to collinate some random, lifeless planet?
[17:39] <Matt-_-> Possibly terraform it with cool, robot
animals?
[17:40] <@Firetools_> Not colinate it... Have Gero never find
out how to make androids that powerful and have him move to a
different planet where he can continue his research in peace?
[17:40] == mode/#Dragonballdev [+v Matt-_-] by Firetools_
[17:42] <+Matt-_-> ... hmm... I'm not sure... that makes the
race inherently evil...
[17:42] <+Matt-_-> Maybe the could overthrow Gero, and create
their own society?
[17:44] <@Firetools_> Let's say the android to Overthrow Gero],
was 17
[17:44] <@Firetools_> The most powerful Gero had evr created
[17:44] <@Firetools_> and most rebellious
[17:44] <+Matt-_-> ... is 17 the retarded one?
[17:44] <+Matt-_-> Or the one with the black hair?
[17:46] <@Firetools_> The Black hair
[17:46] <+Matt-_-> Ah, cool.
[17:46] <@Firetools_> He's the one with the best leadership
qualities
[17:47] <@Firetools_> and the most rebellious so it works
[17:47] <+Matt-_-> That works. He also seems most likely to
create a robotic replica of Eath.
[17:47] <@Firetools_> and i can see him making an excellent king
[17:47] <+Matt-_-> Yup.
[17:47] <+Matt-_-> Which would be cool.
#Post#: 121--------------------------------------------------
Re: IRC History
DIR By: firetools
Date: August 14, 2010, 4:45 pm
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[me=firetools]really needs to figure out how to create
spoilers[/me]
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