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Quarantining in Shared Spaces -- how to keep others as safe as p
ossible
By: gv_twiitterpated Date: December 29, 2024, 7:40 pm
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After the huge spike in new cases this past week, including our
dear Data Report, I thought to pull this article from my
archives -- it gives some excellent breakdowns on basic
principles regarding aerosol science and how to leverage physics
to minimize airborne transmission in shared spaces when one or
more household members are Covid-positive.
HTML https://www.thenewsminute.com/news/how-isolate-home-if-you-have-covid-19-while-keeping-other-members-safe-147416
[ The original document for the ventilation diagrams, plus other
useful information, can be found here:
HTML https://cleanaircrew.org/someone-in-my-home-has-covid-how-do-we-isolate-safely/<br
/>]
The article is in an Indian publication and therefore references
dealing with heat mitigation -- given that it's December in
North America, the opposite problem is more likely to be
relevant. The UK government released guidance several years ago
around how best to ventilate when temps are below freezing, this
is one of many such write-ups:
HTML https://www.gov.uk/guidance/ventilation-to-reduce-the-spread-of-respiratory-infections-including-covid-19#:~:text=Consistent%20house%20temperatures%20at%20or,lead%20to%20fewer%20cold%20draughts.
Some added tips from the one time our household dealt with
keeping infection contained (all of the following assume
well-fitting >n95's are being worn in all common spaces):
- for shared bathrooms - where any or all of the following
apply: keep a window open at least a crack, keep the exhaust fan
running 24/7, keep an air purifier in the bathroom running on at
least medium, and keep the door closed with a rolled towel or
blanket blocking the bottom of the door. Use a timer on the
door to keep track of how long it has been since someone last
used it, and allow at least 30 minutes to go by before the next
person enters. This is especially important if anyone will need
to unmask in the bathroom (brushing teeth, showering, etc).
- for eating/drinking - All household members should unmask and
eat only in their own rooms, not any of the common areas. If
possible, use compostable plates, bowls, cups, and utensils for
any food served to the infected person -- a fresh set for each
meal (disposables can be used if compostables are not
accessible). Have them place all used dinnerware after eating in
a tied off bag that can then be disposed of (if you have
municipal compost service and are using all compostable
dinnerware, use compostable bags as well and then the tied-off
parcels can be deposited directly into your compost collection
bin). This routine prevents virus from making its way back into
the kitchen and into contact with other family members, as well
as preventing re-exposure for the infected person.
- nasal rinsing - this was something the sick folks in our
household did not start doing until about halfway through their
infections, and they immediately regretted not starting sooner.
Nasal rinsing made a huge difference with regard to how they
felt overall, how severe their symptoms were, and how quickly
they started to recover after beginning daily rinses. If only
one rinse a day can be done, we found the best results were from
doing so right before bed -- they slept far more deeply and with
fewer breathing issues. Our daughter found she felt best when
she rinsed AM and PM. Our rinse of choice was Xlear
HTML https://xlear.com/product/sinus-rinse-with-xylitol-and-saline-solution/,<br
/>but we also got great results from NeilMed
HTML https://shop.neilmed.com/products/sinus-rinse-starter-kit-with-5-packets.
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Re: Quarantining in Shared Spaces -- how to keep others as safe
as possible
By: Masked Man Date: December 30, 2024, 5:27 pm
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yet more precautions to add...
I remember hearing about some guy getting sick with covid who
never left apartment in India and they thought he got covid from
his bathroom because he shared same plumbing system/septic tank
with others in apartment..
SUMMARY:
CAN COVID - 19 VIRUS ENTERS INTO YOUR HOME FROM A SICK PERSON’S
TOILET DOWNSTAIRS ?DIY ( DO IT YOURSELF ) TO GET RID OF COVID
THROUGH WASTEWATER PIPES :
LINK:
HTML https://wet2drysolution.com/blog/can-covid-19-virus-enters-into-your-home-from-a-sick-person-toilet-downstairs.html
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Re: Quarantining in Shared Spaces -- how to keep others as safe
as possible
By: Masked Man Date: December 30, 2024, 5:35 pm
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gv_twiitterpated's thread inspired me a little
(maybe I should create a separate thread for my theories but if
gv_twiitterpated doesnt mind), here's my
Masked Man's side thoughts/commentary/theories on the matter:
On eating/drinking.
Once for 2 weeks, I quarantined in same house because I was
worried that person may have been exposed and when other person
wasn't in room I would be in my mask microwaving food right
before I ate it that may have been left out in the open briefly
..
....I'm not sure if that helped but given how many people get
sick at restaurants together I would be willing to bet germs
land on the food and dishes that's out in open so I nuked my
food plate in microwave in private before hustling into private
room to eat just in case.
I have read "As COVID cannot tolerate 70 ° C temperature, within
this time, it can be eliminated from the food surface. The time
requirement can be shortened by using high-power microwave
ovens".
Besides covid I venture to say this thread applies to the art
of dodging all airborne diseases. Airborne diseases contaminate
surfaces and the germs live on those surfaces for different
times depending on surface...
...I wear a mask and gloves outside when handling cardboard
packaging from delivery guy even though delivery guy is not
around because cardboard and sweaty delivery guy equals germs..
They are holding something heavy they are exerting themselves
like an athlete breathing heavy...they hold boxes on their
shoulder right by their faces too. Packaging can be a dirty
Kleenex if someone is sick and they cough, sneeze, laugh,
sputter, or breathe heavy on it.
On Cellphones theory,
Think about the cellphone out in the open people sticking their
wet mouths on it breathing in it and holding a cellphone up to
the side of their face while hanging onto a dirty grocery store
cart or something..Its almost as bad as a baby pacifier... the
scenarios are endless.Maybe you you wear a mask in a grocery
store and use your cellphone around all these people texting and
then you get in your car and stick the cellphone to your
unmasked face..I mean think about contaminated surfaces and
what you put in your face!
Also people touch their exposed faces, eyes, noses, and
membranes all the time.
Remember: Airborne diseases also contaminate surfaces.
There are studies on this I read somewhere covid sticks on
cardboard for an average amount of time and aluminum for another
set amount of time.. so it stands to reason that it get in
clothes and hair too. So don't breathe in your clothes... It
probably gets on outside of mask's filter as well if exposed to
people so ideally take rubbing alcohol and wipe the outside of
your mask to kill the germs it trapped if you were around
people. If your mask catches germs then it stands to reason the
outside of your mask and that filter is highly dangerous. How
can anybody argue otherwise with that? The airborne disease's
germ virus doesn't just evaporate immediately.. it sticks on
stuff and contaminates surfaces...at least that's what many
studies seem to indicate and all sick people out there are
indicating.Never take off your mask and lick the outside of
it...lol..
..Let's say you get home from doctors office or are around the
maskless...try to throw your clothes in the wash while leaving
your mask on ..then wash your hands and body ..like the nape of
your neck runs some soap through your hair.. leave your mask on
then grab a little rubbing alcohol and get a little on the
outside of your mask which trapped the germs.. then get behind
your ears a little.. finally take off your mask then jump in
shower and soap up.. then whew you are probably safe. lol.. just
don't breathe in the outside of your mask because that's the
filter that trapped the airborne particle.
On vehicles and more clothes theory,
I hate to disappoint people but don't take your mask off inside
your car! If someone is in a room of sick people and their
clothes or the outside of their mask gets contaminated I really
think they shouldn't take their mask off in an enclosed area
like inside their car inadvertently exposing themselves to their
clothes or even the back of their mask. That's just my theory
but if airborne diseases contaminates surfaces then its going to
stay on the clothes and if you sit in a car and take your mask
off you might sort of breathe in your clothes or touch your
face...Your standing in line and there's a sick guy standing too
close to you breathing down your back your car seat is going to
get sick too...you know friction of clothes rubbing together or
on another object probably sets some of the particles free into
the air again..just the way clothing gets ruffled its like a
dirty moist towl picks up germs like washcloth then ya plop down
in a carseat creating a draft and air pockets that shoot and
flap through your clothes right up through your collar germs
flying everywhere ..in some way clothes are like wearing a dirty
Kleenex with all their ruffles and the way it hangs and flows
off the body... the fabric itself is almost like aa tight
netting and a little filter that traps stuff wherever you go
.... its like being in a room full of cigarette smoke and then
you sit in your car that smoke permeates in your car and maybe
viruses or germs are a little like that in that they don't just
evaporate immediately on surfaces before disinfection cleansing
or with anti bacterial soap can occur.
Think about logic.. wash your hands yeah.. but not wash your
clothes!? clothes are just external skin or hides from other
animals or a layer of fabric.. think it can't hold germs? of
course clothes can hold germs!
I'm no doctor but I'm using the logic and the things that stand
to reason from the scientific statement that airborne diseases
contaminate surfaces. If airborne diseases contaminate surfaces
like electron microscopes have proven then I think my theories
about getting sick from contaminated objects should be
considered as likely to be true.
“Empirical evidence also suggests that clothing can mediate the
transport and transmission of airborne viruses. For instance,
clothing accumulated inhalable and respirable particles
(≤10 μm) from indoor air in experiments, which were
then resuspended during typical human activities.Apr 11, 2022“
Here’s some statements that pack a punch :
“How long a virus survives on a surface depends on what type of
virus it is, how warm or moist its surroundings are, and the
type of surface it has contaminated. In general, influenza A
viruses remain infectious for up to 4 hours, but rarely more
than 9 hours, while cold viruses can remain infectious for up to
24 hours.Oct 10, 2024“
… so yeah straight from a crowded grocery store into your car
breathe in those clothes may prove dangerous!
So I look up:
how long would covid last on cloth surface?
here the results:
"Able to be picked up on hands & transferred to your nose,
mouth, and eyes, Not broken down quickly when the virus lands on
surfaces in the environment. The virus can be on surfaces for
hours: 3 hours (fabric and porous surfaces), 4 hours (copper and
wood), 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic)"....
...So from this logic implies or it seems reasonable to assume
that's long enough time to get sick from your clothes which are
so close to your hands and your face. Its easy to believe if you
sit in an enclosed space (like your car) after your clothes get
germs on them and ya get a draft or heat rises from your natural
body heat things rise ..the heat rises out your collar or you
turn on the blower in your car and then ya use the cellphone
touching everything .. yeah that's probably how to get sick.
It's just bound to be right on the front of your masks's
filter..there so close ... it's moist area and you are sucking
the air in a crowded place and covid's in the air.. If covid is
going to be somewhere where else would it be other than sticking
right there on the other side of your mouth and nose.. right
there riding on the outside of your mask! Be careful with the
outside of your mask as it might have covid on it!
Coming off of clothes theory: This is my personal theory and how
I think about it coming off of clothes..its just helps me think
about the mechanics of how a germ might ride on something and
infect someone..its not actually how it works but it helps me
think about it considering it is microscopic.... okay
technically our masks shouldn't even work because the virus is
so small it would go through the mask and ya need an electron
microscope to even see it however what happens is this the germ
attaches and rides on a tiny water droplet..like a vapor or mist
and binds itself to that droplet which then can't go through the
filter of the mask but it then sticks on the outside of the
filter/mask and so then the droplet evaporates but the germ
stays there on the filter or in the clothing like dry dry burr
from sticker bush that gets so dry that it become like dust or a
powder form and can be inhaled accidentally or it grips to one's
fingers like those wretched tiny glitter things from decorative
Christmas cards that get all over everything or even like
polystyrene used in packaging; that stuff gives it a strong
electrostatic attraction to other objects, causing it to readily
stick to things..only we are talking teensy wincee tiny stuff
like breathing in dust ya can't see at that stage. So that's how
I think about it ...it rides in on a water droplet then clings
to clothes and material and can get thrown back up into air like
dust that can also make ya sick.
When I was a child my sensitive uncle showed me a replica of
what germs can do by simply having me observe dust and lint
before the sunlit window… You can see a semblance of this
phenomena occurring with the naked eye and apply it to the
likelihood of these similar happenings amongst microscopic
entities. Go to a sunny window in a warm still room and merely
shake a blanket or even your sweater or hair and you will see a
universe of dust and lint dance before your very eyes in the
light of a sunny warm window floating rising and ebbing riding
currents of air and heat. Watch and observe the dust and the
lint hover before your mortal eyes… I believe that’s how a
microscopic entity can behave and do .. temperature , friction,
light affect these tiny particles giving them all a ride off and
on surfaces and airborne.
Of course if its on a surface you can kill or dissolve the
germ/covid particle with heat, microwave possibly or preferably
with antibacterial soap, bit of Clorox, and possibly rubbing
alcohol. I guess the germ /covid particle will die on its own
after certain matter of hours depending on surface but I say
kill it and eradicate the virus/germ particle if its on your
clothes body , hair or surfaces you are liable to touch and
breathe in especially before taking mask off to bring into your
home.
Take care,
The Masked Man
P.S. Note to gv_twiitterpated,
Since this is your thread, If you prefer I can remove my reply
and make a thread under my own name for my commentary but I
thought your topic was so compelling I couldn't help but reply.
Just let me know with a reply if you prefer me to remove my
reply or if you think my comments are relevant and useful in
your thread you need not reply... its up to you. :)
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Re: Quarantining in Shared Spaces -- how to keep others as safe
as possible
By: Data Report Date: January 1, 2025, 3:56 pm
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This is a great thread and I am sharing it on X and Bluesky!
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