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       Something that worries me about "There and Back Again"
       By: Enterprising Young Man Date: December 23, 2013, 10:07 pm
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       There has been some speculation recently - and, yes, I know it's
       speculation/rumors but there was a lot of that going around with
       regard to where Desolation might end and ultimately it turned
       out to be true, so in this case I hope it's wrong - but at any
       rate, spoilers if you haven't read the book:
       [spoiler]Apparently, Smaug is going to survive his encounter
       with Bard and take part in the battle of the five armies...
       which makes no sense to me whatsoever. However, if this is true,
       why would PJ bother with all of that Bard's ancestor backstory
       and whatnot? I don't know, but it makes me think all of this
       speculation is false. What argues in favor of it though is the
       fact that Desolation did, in fact, end with Smaug heading off
       towards Lake Town, meaning the next movie will have to open with
       his death - killing off Smaug in the opening of the movie?
       Doesn't sound like something PJ would do. Besides, having Smaug
       survive and take part in the battle does sound quite PJ-ish; it
       fits his policy of piling excess upon excess.[/spoiler]
       At any rate, I hope this doesn't turn out to be right.
       #Post#: 46430--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Something that worries me about "There and Back Again&q
       uot;
       By: sesamecharlie Date: December 24, 2013, 1:58 pm
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       I was thinking that the opening of There and Back Again would
       revolve around [spoiler] Gandalf/Necromancer and some build up
       to the battle of the five armies, THEN go back to Smaug and Lake
       Town. That way Smaug's death wouldn't open the film. I really
       can't see PJ keeping Smaug alive through his encounter with
       Bard, especially, as you mentioned, he went into Bard's ancestry
       and Bard dramatically pulled the last black arrow out of his
       kitchen. [/spoiler]
       But if it is true, which I highly doubt, that would be the worst
       thing ever.
       #Post#: 46438--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Something that worries me about "There and Back Again&q
       uot;
       By: codyesh2 Date: December 25, 2013, 1:10 pm
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       My thoughts on the next movie:
       1. It will open with a bunch of
       Gandalf/Radagast/Galadriel/Necromancer stuff.
       2. Smaug will die relatively quickly.
       3. Battle of Five Armies.
       4. Stuff leading up to LoTR.
       I really wish Aragorn makes some type of appearance. Whether you
       actually see Viggo Mortensen dressed up or you just hear of the
       Elf's talking about him I'd like to see/hear of him. I think
       that they confirmed that he wouldn't be making any type of
       appearance though...A post credit scene with Gandalf instructing
       Aragorn to watch over the Shire would suffice.
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       Re: Something that worries me about "There and Back Again&q
       uot;
       By: Dr._Pants_The_Tech_Guy Date: December 25, 2013, 3:38 pm
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       It would have to be set in the time between The Hobbit and LotR.
       Aragorn was a child during the events of The Hobbit.
       #Post#: 46481--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Something that worries me about "There and Back Again&q
       uot;
       By: SoulMonster Date: December 30, 2013, 3:33 pm
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       [quote author=Dr. Pants link=topic=5731.msg46444#msg46444
       date=1388007514]
       It would have to be set in the time between The Hobbit and LotR.
       Aragorn was a child during the events of The Hobbit.
       [/quote]
       Don't forget, The Fellowship of the Ring is set 60 years after
       The Hobbit and I do not think 17 years have passed between
       Bilbo's 111th and Gandalf returning to The Shire. So Aragorn
       would have been 27. Still too young for Viggo.
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