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I watched Into Darkness
By: Enterprising Young Man Date: May 12, 2013, 8:02 am
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I'll post more detailed thoughts later on when I get my computer
back (it crashed like three weeks ago and is currently
undergoing repair), but for now, lemme just say that it was
definitely better than the 09 film, and is actually a good
enough film for the most part until it's almost completely
undone by a disastrous third act and an anticlimactic ending.
I'd give it 6/10.
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Re: I watched Into Darkness
By: Winter_Is_Coming Date: May 12, 2013, 8:08 am
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Well, at least the first part was good?
And was the whole blood thing as ridiculous as it sounds?
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Re: I watched Into Darkness
By: Enterprising Young Man Date: May 12, 2013, 8:54 am
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The first two acts are good enough, in the sense that they had
the potential to make this be one of the better movies of the
series but there's a lot of stupidity at the end. The blood
thing was actually not that bad, what was bad was how hard they
tried to be all cute and clever (like they did with the whole
alternate timeline thing) with all the references to Wrath of
Khan and the filmmakers pretending to be clever with how they've
adapted that plot and whatnot. It's frustrating because I
thought all the actors were a lot better this time around (even
Pine) and Cumberbatch was excellent as usual but they deserved
to be in a better film.
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Re: I watched Into Darkness
By: Winter_Is_Coming Date: May 12, 2013, 9:41 am
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The homage to WoK [spoiler]with the hands and the glass when
Kirk presumably dies[/spoiler] sounds like a stupid idea. Is
that the sort of thing that you mean?
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Re: I watched Into Darkness
By: Enterprising Young Man Date: May 12, 2013, 9:55 am
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You should probably use a spoiler tag there, but that is exactly
what I meant. It was a dull scene that went on too long and
seemed to think it would have the same effect.
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Re: I watched Into Darkness
By: Winter_Is_Coming Date: May 12, 2013, 6:07 pm
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I imagine so. I can't believe they actually thought that would
work without coming across as a cheesy rip-off. They shouldn't
have tried to do any homages at all.
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Re: I watched Into Darkness
By: Enterprising Young Man Date: May 12, 2013, 8:58 pm
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Homages are better when done subtly. One of the best things
about the movie I thought was the second act in which the
Enterprise and an enemy ship are stuck in space in a standoff,
first near one planet and then near Earth. The Enterprise is
damaged and so there's lots of running around in engineering
etc. In many ways, this part of the movie very closely resembles
the classic Original Series episodes, all those great episodes
like The Corbomite Maneuver or The Tholian Web etc. and the
thing is, here the filmmakers don't seem to be trying to
reference the Original Series, so intentionally or not, this
part works as a great homage. When they switch to actively
trying to reference Wrath of Khan and are beating you over the
head with their supposed cleverness, it has the exact opposite
effect.
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Re: I watched Into Darkness
By: Enterprising Young Man Date: May 15, 2013, 9:12 pm
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Oh get this, they were apparently in talks with Benicio Del
Toro at first for the role of Khan but that didn't work out.
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Re: I watched Into Darkness
By: Winter_Is_Coming Date: May 16, 2013, 1:42 am
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So I just saw it.
[spoiler]I was honestly enjoying it until it got to Kirk's death
scene. I thought the whole scene was over-the-top, anyway, but
when Spock yelled KHAAAAN all I could do was laugh. It was
cheesy. It worked in WoK, but the fact that it's an exact redo
of the scene, with the roles switched, just made it lame. They
could've had Kirk die without all that. In fact, they could've
done without all the homages to WoK (just as I suspected) and
just told a totally different story. Other than that, though, I
didn't think the movie was that bad.[/spoiler]
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Re: I watched Into Darkness
By: Enterprising Young Man Date: May 16, 2013, 2:52 am
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[spoiler]The scene for me where the movie started declining was
when Leonard Nimoy showed up. Up until then I was actually fine
with Cumberbatch being Khan. Then they had to go and do that
stupid scene which really would only remind viewers of Ricardo
Montalban and wonder why Khan here looks so different. Oh I
know, Abrams apologists would simply say it's just about casting
a different actor or something about the alternate timeline or
something and I say it's all bullshit. Imagine if in one of the
later Harry Potter movies someone were to mention the
discrepancy in Dumbledore's look from years 1 & 2 to the rest.
And not even in an in-joke way, might I add. It's just
unbelievably dumb.[/spoiler]
I don't understand what Abrams is playing at though when he says
he wants these movies to be aimed towards non-Trek fans as much
as Trek fans. I mean everything he's putting in will only anger
most Trek fans and will leave most non-fans confused. I mean,
what exactly it the relevance of the main villain being Khan or
of that Nimoy cameo to non-fans?
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