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#Post#: 38165--------------------------------------------------
So I watched The Hobbit today
DIR By: Enterprising Young Man
Date: December 16, 2012, 1:04 pm
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First a note on the HFR 3D - I liked it. The high frame rate is
certainly something that you'll have to get used to, but once
you do, it is for the most part pretty unobtrusive I thought.
Earlier scenes in Bag End etc. feel a bit artificial but as the
film goes on you get used to it. The 3D too was actually barely
noticeable except for a few handful of moments here and there so
I liked that too. I did notice a few problems with the HFR where
certain characters seemed to move rather fast/jerkily but I'm
not sure if that was a problem with the film or the theater I
was in - either way there were only a handful of such moments
and they only lasted a couple of seconds. Overall though, my
reaction was positive toward the higher frame rate - the image
was just so much more crisper and vivid - it wasn't as
groundbreaking as I was thinking (and perhaps hoping) it'd be,
but I was quite satisfied with the result, and while I'm not
sure The Hobbit was the best movie to experiment with, I hope
more filmmakers (especially the ones who say they'll never shoot
in anything but digital) try and experiment with this. Hopefully
in 2D. In fact, I hope they release a blu-ray for this in 48 fps
so I can really form an opinion on what it looks like in normal
2D.
Overall, I liked the film. I'd give it a solid 8/10. It was
entertaining for the most part. I thought Bilbo's meeting with
Gollum and the whole "Bilbo's pity" part was easily the best
part of the film. It had two major flaws: One, it was overlong
(I mean it really felt long, and certain scenes like most of the
stuff involving Radagast didn't help in any way at all), and
two, it didn't really have much of an ending. It was kind of an
"eh, so the story continues I guess." There was no real sense of
"closure." This also goes back to earlier on when Jackson
decided making Azog the Defiler the main villain of the movie
was a good idea. No it was not, as Azog turns out to be a boring
villain (borderline cartoonish and unintentionally hilarious
with his fake arm) and there's no real resolution to his
storyline with Thorin.
I think the best thing I can say about this film though is that
it seemed to set up the next two films as having more potential
of being great than this one, so I'm definitely looking forward
to the next two movies, and let's hope that turns out to be
true.
Oh and I quite liked Martin Freeman.
Also I'm quite addicted to "Song of the Lonely Mountain" atm...
#Post#: 38167--------------------------------------------------
Re: So I watched The Hobbit today
DIR By: DanishPrince
Date: December 16, 2012, 1:26 pm
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I agree on almost everything you said. I have watched it two
times with the higher frame rate and I didn't get the feeling of
some scenes moving to fast the second time so I guess you only
experience that until you get used to the 48fps.
I didn't get the artificial feeling of Bag End though.
The only time I felt the movie were long was at the part with
the giants. That scene didn't do anything to the story and I got
the feeling that the only reason it was in the movie was to show
some pretty scenes.
Using Azog as the main villain was a mistake in my opinion and I
agree 100 % on the closure stuff.
I have been spamming Neil Finn's version of that song non stop
for five days now.
#Post#: 38187--------------------------------------------------
Re: So I watched The Hobbit today
DIR By: Enterprising Young Man
Date: December 16, 2012, 10:06 pm
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I just meant the opening scenes... when Frodo and Bilbo are
talking to each other, it had that "actors on a set" feeling but
by the time you get to Erebor I got adjusted to it.
#Post#: 38303--------------------------------------------------
Re: So I watched The Hobbit today
DIR By: The Dude
Date: December 20, 2012, 1:23 pm
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I saw the movie today and I loved it. It was a fitting followup
to one of the greatest trilogies ever and lives upto the hype.
It was enjoyable and a bit more lighthearted than LOTR though by
no means was it childish or Narnia-like. It retains the somber
tone of the book dieplaying that the dwarves, merry folk that
they are, are ultimatley homesick and just want to get back.
Visuals are spectacular and Jackson makes full use of 3D, it
doesn't feel forced or unecessary and really stands out during
the action scenes. I particularly liked the opening scene of
the fall of Erebor and the climax in when the Gandalf and
Company of Dwarves fight their way out of the Goblin settlement
in Misty mountains (an action scene almost as good as the Moria
mines sequence from FOTR). One of my favorite part was when
Bilbo was about to kill Gollum but stops when he looks in
Gollum's eyes. I swear at that scene, Gandalf's line from FOTR
was running in my head (Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's
hand).
Majority of the music tunes were built around the 'Misty
Mountain' song with the Shire theme briefly heard during Bilbo's
scenes. However, Howard Shore also does bring back the tunes
used in LOTR giving a nostalgic feeling to the fans. The only
issue I had was the pacing, actually I expected Gollum's meeting
to take place in the second movie. Since this one ends
approximately about halfway through the novel, I wonder how will
the fit the rest of the story in the next 2 movies of 3 hrs
each. Also, I felt the Radagast could have been shown a bit
better, I imagined him to be similar like Gandalf and Saruman
and not some loony as he was shown in the film. Other than that,
this was truly an awesome film and one of the best of this year.
#Post#: 38307--------------------------------------------------
Re: So I watched The Hobbit today
DIR By: DanishPrince
Date: December 20, 2012, 3:37 pm
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I just got the Hobbit Special Edition soundtrack and listening
to the tunes on their own without seeing the movie just gives an
entire new feeling to it! During the movie the only tunes I
really noticed were the ones built around the 'Misty Mountain'
theme as you say but now I realize how different yet familiar
the soundtrack is to LotR.. Howard Shore really did an
outstanding job with this one.
#Post#: 38609--------------------------------------------------
Re: So I watched The Hobbit today
DIR By: Aussie50
Date: December 29, 2012, 11:45 pm
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I watched it last night and thought it was great. I saw it in
48fps and 3D because I wanted to see how it looked, and I was
really impressed. It was odd at first, and they all seemed to be
moving at double the speed, but it got easier as it went and
some of the scenes looked fucking spectacular because of it.The
flight with the eagles at the end was probably the most stunning
3D I've ever seen.
I didn't find the length too bad and it didn't feel slow at all,
at last not once they left the Shire which I'll admit took just
few minutes too long. The effects were also amazing, I wasn't
expecting to like the overuse of CGI, but I think the 48fps and
the 3D gave everything a whole new look and every CGI creature
looked pretty realistic.
I'm not even sure if I liked the new frame rate, but I just
found it a really interesting experience, I'll have to see it
again to make up my mind.
#Post#: 38617--------------------------------------------------
Re: So I watched The Hobbit today
DIR By: Enterprising Young Man
Date: December 30, 2012, 6:30 am
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I think what we need is a few more movies shot in high frame
rates - Avatar 2 is still too far away - so we could really
compare these movies and see how successful the format is.
#Post#: 38619--------------------------------------------------
Re: So I watched The Hobbit today
DIR By: Aussie50
Date: December 30, 2012, 7:25 am
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This is probably a completely stupid thought, but all this FPS
talk has made me wonder if they know what FPS we see reality in.
Also why did Peter Jackson decide on 48fps, instead of an even
higher framerate of say 60 fps or 72 fps? Would that would make
the effect too much for our eyes to handle.
Also I like this quote off some random site about HFR "With a 3D
movie you’re looking through a window into reality, but with 48
fps / HFR 3D, Peter Jackson has, as James Cameron has said,
removed the glass from that window." it's pretty close to
describing what it was like watching it.
#Post#: 38620--------------------------------------------------
Re: So I watched The Hobbit today
DIR By: Enterprising Young Man
Date: December 30, 2012, 8:10 am
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I don't really have an answer for that question so here's a link
for ya:
HTML http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
As for The Hobbit, the thing is that with 48 fps, in theaters
that will not be showing it in high frame rate it would be
easier for them to just convert the movie to 24 fps than with,
say, 60 fps. Now, if Avatar 2 is really going to be shot in 60
fps, the theaters will have to make major upgrades to their
projection systems. Not to mention, I don't think blu-rays can
handle higher frame rates either.
Also when I said we need a few more HFR movies, I'm hoping that
they'll be in 2D. I think the 3D in The Hobbit was used the only
way you could use 3D: for the most part, I just didn't notice
it, and if you're using 3D in that way, why not just go 2D
instead? I think 3D is kind of a novelty really that should be
used as little as possible - I remember a few years ago some
movies used to have like just 10 minutes or so in 3D with the
rest in 2D etc. That kind of thing works for me. I like seeing a
few sequences here and there use 3D but I'd rather not be
wearing those glasses throughout the film.
#Post#: 38624--------------------------------------------------
Re: So I watched The Hobbit today
DIR By: DanishPrince
Date: December 30, 2012, 10:13 am
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I believe the human eye can see 60 FPS if I'm not mistaken but
there is a lot of factors that plays a part in how the brain
sees the image.
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