DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
---------------------------------------------------------
CycleKarts GB
HTML https://cyclekartsgb.createaforum.com
---------------------------------------------------------
*****************************************************
DIR Return to: Events
*****************************************************
#Post#: 5558--------------------------------------------------
God Save the Car
DIR By: Little French
Date: February 18, 2022, 8:38 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Hello Guys
A friend organizes the Got Save the Car on the mythical circuit
of Montlhéry
She invites as a VIP all the CKs who want to ride on this track
on Saturday April 9
I know it's very short for the preparation but the Covid has
complicated things a bit this year!
If this meeting works well, we will also be invited in 2 years
for the 100th anniversary of the Montlhéry circuit.
If you want to meet the French club, let us know on our new
Forum :
HTML https://cyclekart-france.forumactif.com/t68-god-save-the-car-a-montlhery
See you soon maybe...;)
#Post#: 5565--------------------------------------------------
Re: God Save the Car
DIR By: Andy_B
Date: February 18, 2022, 10:53 am
---------------------------------------------------------
thanks for posting this, that sounds very special - but as you
say a little short notice :-\
#Post#: 5566--------------------------------------------------
Re: God Save the Car
DIR By: Carlos Carneiro
Date: February 18, 2022, 10:56 am
---------------------------------------------------------
This is awesome Fabrice!!
I will try my best to help you make this an European destination
event!!
I will extend your invitation to the contacts I have for
cyclekarts in Belgium , Netherlands and Germany too!
Thanks for arranging this opportunity!!!
Merci!!
#Post#: 5571--------------------------------------------------
Re: God Save the Car
DIR By: Graham Hill
Date: February 18, 2022, 12:22 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Hi Fabrice. I wont be able to make it this year (hopefully some
others can?) but with your permission will put it onto our
calendar for 2024.
Last year at Brooklands I got speaking with a vintage
motorcyclist who regularly competes at 'le puy-notre-dame grand
prix'. He thought that CycleKarts would be welcome there .....
have you tried? Tchao.
#Post#: 5577--------------------------------------------------
Re: God Save the Car
DIR By: Little French
Date: February 19, 2022, 2:40 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Hi Andy,
For the moment, it's just an "information"
The organizer will give me more information very soon
(accommodation, meals, parking, etc...)
To date, I can announce that our participation is free (we are
invited as VIPs) It remains to know the price of meals and
accommodation, motorhomes are welcome (with electricity on the
campsite, without on the trailer park and cars)
Hi Carlos
Thank you for your help, I hope that this meeting will allow
recognition of the Cks in the small world of motorsport...
Hi Graham
So maybe we'll meet again next year!
For Puy Notre Dame, obviously we would like to participate!! But
I believe that the regulations are very strict and that
unfortunately we are not able to respect (approval of vehicles,
authorization to drive on open roads, etc...)
But we remain hopeful ! this year we should do the GP of the
ramparts of Angoulême and maybe it will be a gateway to Puy
Notre Dame....
Soon
Fabrice
PS : For informations
HTML https://www.parisautoevents.com/calendrier/god-save-the-car-and-the-motorcycle
#Post#: 5584--------------------------------------------------
Re: God Save the Car
DIR By: ChrisS
Date: February 19, 2022, 3:15 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Has anyone done any research on the post brexit rules for
trailering competition vehicles? Reference Carnets and Green
Cards etc?
#Post#: 5585--------------------------------------------------
Re: God Save the Car
DIR By: RhysN
Date: February 20, 2022, 3:15 am
---------------------------------------------------------
I have Chris, in the early days of brexit. As I have to deal
with this stuff every working day I am happy to come up with an
answer, as things got worse, not better after January 1st this
year.
If folks want me to explore this, I am happy to do so. Previous
outcome was not well received (or in some cases believed).
#Post#: 5615--------------------------------------------------
Re: God Save the Car
DIR By: RhysN
Date: February 22, 2022, 5:04 am
---------------------------------------------------------
As I said I would investigate, I have. Below is an excerpt from
Motorsport Uk site, while "we" are not members it put's the
information in a nutshell.
I have spoken with the Birmingham Chamber of Commerce who issue
these carnets for all forms of Motorsport, which we are in the
eyes of Customs etc, as we have a vehicle with a motor. They
agreed that they would give members of Cyclekarts GB a discount
on the fees.
Also suggested was that a permanent chassis plate would ease
things.
Essentially a carnet is a document like a passport. You pay for
it, £240 odd +VAT, and give a cash deposit of 40% of the value
of your car. On leaving UK you have the carnet stamped, on
entering the other country stamped again, then the reverse
process when coming back, at which point you apply for your cash
deposit to be returned, and usually (if you have followed the
process) instantly returned. Of course the fee for arranging is
not returned.
The only way this can be avoided is if, like Geoff May, you have
a registered vehicle , insurance, then get a green card. Green
Card can NOT be issued to un registered vehicles, except that
trailers have a different set of rules.
You must include in the value any unusually large sets of tools.
On 31 December 2020, the temporary transition arrangements in
place between the EU and the UK expired, affecting the movement
of motorsport vehicles and equipment to the EU.
Following advice, Motorsport UK understands that an ATA Carnet
will be required to temporarily move motorsport vehicles and
equipment across the border.
An ATA Carnet is an international Customs document that operates
like a passport for your goods. It allows the temporary
importation of goods into countries that are part of the ATA
Carnet system (the EU and 40+ additional countries) and avoids
you having to pay unnecessary taxes or duties.
ATA Carnets cover all goods that are leaving the UK and
returning within a 12-month period. They do not cover
disposable goods (oil, fluids) that will be used while out of
the country or items that will not be returning to the UK.
The ATA Carnet simplifies the customs procedure into a single
document and makes the importation process much quicker and
easier to handle. To avoid unnecessary border delays and
customs checks the carnet should be acquired in advance of
travel.
There are two parts to the carnet:
The processing/arrangement fee of the paperwork (VATable)
The premium (non-VATable)
Motorsport UK has secured a special deal with the Greater
Birmingham Chambers of Commerce (GBCC) for Motorsport UK members
of a fixed price processing/arrangement fee of £240+VAT. This is
discounted from the standard fee of £330+VAT that non-members of
the GBCC would pay.
Greater Birmingham Chambers of Commerce is appointed as part of
a network of Chambers around the country to issue ATA Carnets.
The second part of the fee is the Premium. This can either be a
refundable deposit of 40% of the vehicle’s value or a
non-refundable insurance premium to cover the 40% proportion of
the premium.
As an example, if selecting the latter, the insurance premium
pricing for £100k of a classic car cover would be a calculation
based on 40% of the value and the duration of the carnet.
2 months – £288
6 months – £484
12 months – £624
The vehicle can be transported back and forth regularly
throughout the duration of that one carnet.
The calculations behind the premium are based on 40% of the
vehicle value, however it is not a sliding scale and is not as
simple that a £50,000 carnet would cost half that of a £100k
carnet nor that a £200k carnet would be twice the amount.
Applying for ATA Carnets:
Carnets are applied for through an electronic portal called
‘E-cert’ and processed and posted out next day delivery or made
ready for same day collection.
#Post#: 5616--------------------------------------------------
Re: God Save the Car
DIR By: David F-R
Date: February 22, 2022, 6:02 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Well done Rhys!
It all sounds quite simple when you put it like that, pricey but
simple.
Chassis plate with numbers issued by CycleKarts GB sounds a good
idea.
#Post#: 5618--------------------------------------------------
Re: God Save the Car
DIR By: RhysN
Date: February 22, 2022, 7:08 am
---------------------------------------------------------
I did go back to the Chamber of Commerce to ask something that
popped into my peabrain.
"Can we put more than one on a single application" The answer is
yes, so the application fee is split across however many cars.
The deposit is per car (of course returned if the process is
followed). The only thing is that whoever applied has to be
prepared that the deposit will be taken in the event of non
conforming, and then the applicant's problem to chase the
miscreant.
In the words of the man involved, "Depends on how much you trust
the other people."
Rather than the insurance cover quoted it would be much better
to use a cash deposit, you get that back!
*****************************************************
Page 1 of 2
DIR Next Page