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#Post#: 36736--------------------------------------------------
Philosophy+
DIR By: Sarah von Sapata
Date: November 17, 2015, 11:30 pm
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So, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has opinions. And I'm sure
I'm also not the only one who likes having some interesting,
serious discussions about different topics! So here is where you
can discuss, if you like... Talk about your views on Islamic
State, or about homosexuality, euthanasia, abortion, etc. topics
that are constantly discussed in society!
Also, I am aware this topic could at times get a bit offensive
to others, or unsettling. Everyone is going to have different
opinions and we are not in the position to say which is right
and wrong. So please be humble; speak your mind, but respect
other people's opinions too. Otherwise this thread might not be
open for long...
Enjoy!
#Post#: 36744--------------------------------------------------
Re: Philosophy+
DIR By: Oafish Team
Date: November 17, 2015, 11:53 pm
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When I first saw this, I was like "Oh! Philosophy 101!" :D
The philosophy of my philosophy is simply to try to enjoy
life...
And I can't spell philosophy...
So let's start this off with something recent...like the Paris
attack...
I have mixed emotions about this particular event. I've always
been taught to be respectful to others beliefs but this is very
extreme. The loss of life alone should be enough to sway me but
it hasn't thus far... I'm still in a conflicted area where I
feel sad for those that have died but it goes against all of my
teachings to deem these attackers as 'evil' people. Yet, at the
same time... My conscience is telling me that I should be
calling these people terrorists...
I feel so lonely right now...
Fun fact: Technically, anyone who thinks about life is a
philosopher...
#Post#: 36748--------------------------------------------------
Re: Philosophy+
DIR By: Sarah von Sapata
Date: November 18, 2015, 12:04 am
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--- Quote from: Karin Oafish Team link ---
>
> When I first saw this, I was like "Oh! Philosophy 101!" :D
>
> The philosophy of my philosophy is simply to try to enjoy
life...
>
> And I can't spell philosophy...
>
> So let's start this off with something recent...like the Paris
attack...
>
> I have mixed emotions about this particular event. I've always
been taught to be respectful to others beliefs but this is very
extreme. The loss of life alone should be enough to sway me but
it hasn't thus far... I'm still in a conflicted area where I
feel sad for those that have died but it goes against all of my
teachings to deem these attackers as 'evil' people. Yet, at the
same time... My conscience is telling me that I should be
calling these people terrorists...
>
> I feel so lonely right now...
>
>
>
> Fun fact: Technically, anyone who thinks about life is a
philosopher...
>
--- End Quote ---
When you say 'all your teachings', what do you mean? I don't
believe it is wrong to title them as evil - the damage and pain
they have caused is disgusting, and just because my faith says
to love one another, and to love your enemies, I do not believe
that means I can't see them as evil, or that I can't dislike
them.
#Post#: 36749--------------------------------------------------
Re: Philosophy+
DIR By: Oafish Team
Date: November 18, 2015, 12:13 am
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--- Quote from: Sarah Von Sapata link ---
>
> [quote author=Karin Oafish Team
link=topic=238.msg36744#msg36744 date=1447826034]
> When I first saw this, I was like "Oh! Philosophy 101!" :D
>
> The philosophy of my philosophy is simply to try to enjoy
life...
>
> And I can't spell philosophy...
>
> So let's start this off with something recent...like the Paris
attack...
>
> I have mixed emotions about this particular event. I've always
been taught to be respectful to others beliefs but this is very
extreme. The loss of life alone should be enough to sway me but
it hasn't thus far... I'm still in a conflicted area where I
feel sad for those that have died but it goes against all of my
teachings to deem these attackers as 'evil' people. Yet, at the
same time... My conscience is telling me that I should be
calling these people terrorists...
>
> I feel so lonely right now...
>
>
>
> Fun fact: Technically, anyone who thinks about life is a
philosopher...
>
--- End Quote ---
When you say 'all your teachings', what do you mean? I don't
believe it is wrong to title them as evil - the damage and pain
they have caused is disgusting, and just because my faith says
to love one another, and to love your enemies, I do not believe
that means I can't see them as evil, or that I can't dislike
them.
[/quote]
Well... 'all my teachings' simply refers to just that...
My education in school, the people around me... The environment
a I live in and my personal beliefs...
And all of this is pointing out to me that there is never a
clearly defined black-and-white. Yet... This event... It's all
so extreme and violent...
I feel like I'm betraying myself if I say they are prey and
simply 'evil'. But I feel like I'm betraying my conscience by
not saying that their evil. And at the same time, I feel like
I'm betraying everyone and everything I know but not taking a
definite stand with my own beliefs.
I just... I just can't explain it... :'(
#Post#: 36820--------------------------------------------------
Re: Philosophy+
DIR By: K
Date: November 18, 2015, 4:59 am
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--- Quote from: Karin Oafish Team link ---
>
> I feel so lonely right now...
>
--- End Quote ---
Cheer up, Karin.
You're not alone.
*Hugs Karin*
#Post#: 36887--------------------------------------------------
Re: Philosophy+
DIR By: Neamhain Blackmailer
Date: November 18, 2015, 6:31 pm
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People in ISIS probably don't see themselves as evil. If
anything, they view us as evil.
I think that there are different perspectives. The killings by
ISIS are not immoral from their point of view. They do not
necessarily have an ill intent—they just have a much different
view point from most of us. As such, I find it difficult to call
them evil as they do not believe that what they are doing is
evil.
If a child is raised up in poverty and taught to poach small
animals in order to provide for himself, do we call him evil?
No. We may say he is misguided, but we understand that he has a
different background and a different lifestyle. While we may not
be willing to poach small animals ourselves, we do not
excessively condemn the child for doing what he is taught. From
his viewpoint, of course, he is not misguided. I believe it is
the same with ISIS, but to much more of an extreme.
#Post#: 36895--------------------------------------------------
Re: Philosophy+
DIR By: HunsingerTheLearner
Date: November 18, 2015, 9:23 pm
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Someone told me that the people who are part of ISIS believe
that when enough enemy blood is spilled on earth, Muhammad will
come back. Therefore, according to their thinking, by killing
people they are actually hastening Muhammad's return.
#Post#: 36911--------------------------------------------------
Re: Philosophy+
DIR By: Sarah von Sapata
Date: November 18, 2015, 11:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Neamhain Blackmailer link ---
>
> People in ISIS probably don't see themselves as evil. If
anything, they view us as evil.
>
> I think that there are different perspectives. The killings by
ISIS are not immoral from their point of view. They do not
necessarily have an ill intent—they just have a much different
view point from most of us. As such, I find it difficult to call
them evil as they do not believe that what they are doing is
evil.
>
> If a child is raised up in poverty and taught to poach small
animals in order to provide for himself, do we call him evil?
No. We may say he is misguided, but we understand that he has a
different background and a different lifestyle. While we may not
be willing to poach small animals ourselves, we do not
excessively condemn the child for doing what he is taught. From
his viewpoint, of course, he is not misguided. I believe it is
the same with ISIS, but to much more of an extreme.
>
--- End Quote ---
Mmm, that's a very interesting view point. And I suppose you're
right in a sense, and plus everyone is evil. Really, they're
just as bad as us. It's easy for us to say 'Don't fight' over in
relaxation and leisure, whilst the conditions over in Syria and
Iraq are quite different.
#Post#: 36935--------------------------------------------------
Re: Philosophy+
DIR By: Oafish Team
Date: November 19, 2015, 1:25 am
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--- Quote from: K00 the Sane link ---
>
> [quote author=Karin Oafish Team
link=topic=238.msg36744#msg36744 date=1447826034]
> I feel so lonely right now...
>
--- End Quote ---
Cheer up, Karin.
You're not alone.
*Hugs Karin*
[/quote]
I'm lonely in my thoughts.
*Hugs K00 and cries*
--- Quote from: Neamhain Blackmailer link ---
>
> People in ISIS probably don't see themselves as evil. If
anything, they view us as evil.
>
> I think that there are different perspectives. The killings by
ISIS are not immoral from their point of view. They do not
necessarily have an ill intent—they just have a much different
view point from most of us. As such, I find it difficult to call
them evil as they do not believe that what they are doing is
evil.
>
> If a child is raised up in poverty and taught to poach small
animals in order to provide for himself, do we call him evil?
No. We may say he is misguided, but we understand that he has a
different background and a different lifestyle. While we may not
be willing to poach small animals ourselves, we do not
excessively condemn the child for doing what he is taught. From
his viewpoint, of course, he is not misguided. I believe it is
the same with ISIS, but to much more of an extreme.
>
--- End Quote ---
This is probably where my unwillingness to straight up call them
'evil' comes from.
I literary sighed in relief upon reading this post.
It feels so good to be able to talk about this to someone who
understands.
#Post#: 36937--------------------------------------------------
Re: Philosophy+
DIR By: Sarah von Sapata
Date: November 19, 2015, 1:31 am
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Yeah, it's a good point. I can't believe there's a group of
black people use the hashtag on social media '#f*ckparis'
because they're claiming 'we get killed everyday and nobody
gives a damn' which is not true. People are claiming its karma
for the slave trade, and that more should have died because
apparently black lives don't matter... It's really heartbreaking
to hear people think like that, when black lives do matter and
situations that disrespect black people are dealt with firmly
these days... No matter, they are being hypocritical anyways
because they are disregarding the lives of hundreds whilst
claiming they themselves are disregarded...
Sorry just had to get that out. It's really pîssing me off.
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