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#Post#: 16049--------------------------------------------------
Re: England team
DIR By: Fursty
Date: January 31, 2019, 8:45 am
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Rodney can't agree on Ford being better than Farrell but
completely agree on Tuilagi not being a 12 - he's barely ever
played at 12 and with good reason. We can only hope that he and
Slade will be interchanging fairly regularly.
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Re: England team
DIR By: Chipstead Quin
Date: January 31, 2019, 8:45 am
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--- Quote from: Man From LA link ---
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> Farrell world class at what?
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> He missed more tackles (at 12) in 2018 6Nations than any other
player of all 6 countries, and missed more tackles (at 10) than
any other England player in the AI's.
>
> His kicking stats for the 2018 6Nations were the worst of all
the primary kickers of all 6 countries (a risible 63%)
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> His passing is average, his kicking out of hand is poor and
his captaincy consists of making the wrong calls (NZ in the
AI's), saying nothing to his team-mates most of the time or
berating them for not passing to him (Cips in SA), or repeatedly
getting warned about his shouting and screaming at sir while not
having the first clue how to speak to them (many on the Sarries
forum say he's not a captain).
>
> If this was any other player they wouldn't be anywhere near
the team. Even his ex team-mates are now calling him Englands
weak link:
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HTML https://www.france24.com/en/20190129-hothead-england-captain-farrell-weak-link-stringer
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Not sure Id take much notice of Irish mind games from Stringer
who played at Sarries when Farrell was a teenager anymore than
Id relate to stats taken from Englands worst performance as a
team in the Spring of 2018 since 6N started in 2000 .
#Post#: 16051--------------------------------------------------
Re: England team
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: January 31, 2019, 8:46 am
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> Here's an alternative view: Eddie needs at least 2 fullback
options for the RWC. Watson would have been one, but there's no
guarantee he will be back in time. So he needs to develop
another.
>
> Daly has the huge advantage of versatility, but he's
inexperienced at fullback. So, with one eye on the RWC, who do
you get more value from giving game time to?
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> Mike Brown, who's shown time and again that he will turn up
and do a job as long as he's fit, doesn't need time to play
himself into form and will react to being dropped by working
harder until he's back in contention.
>
> Or Elliot Daly, who's an outrageous talent but needs to get
experience of playing crunch games , especially in an unfamiliar
position?
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> I'm surprised Eddie has picked Daly for this game, but on the
other hand it's almost certainly the toughest game for a full
back before the RWC itself.
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> I would still bet on Brown being part of the RWC squad if he's
fit, though, because the only other experienced international
full back is Goode, and he doesn't cut it at International
level.
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> You could substitute "Robshaw" and "Shields" or "Wilson" in
the sentences above and they'd read much the same.
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That's fine but, ive been saying for a while "Who plays if Brown
picks up an injury the day before the first game?". Jones
should not be "trying" stuff now, he should have done this
before now.
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Re: England team
DIR By: TomBuckQuin
Date: January 31, 2019, 8:50 am
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--- Quote from: Man From LA link ---
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>
> Farrell world class at what?
>
> He missed more tackles (at 12) in 2018 6Nations than any other
player of all 6 countries, and missed more tackles (at 10) than
any other England player in the AI's.
>
> His kicking stats for the 2018 6Nations were the worst of all
the primary kickers of all 6 countries (a risible 63%)
>
> His passing is average, his kicking out of hand is poor and
his captaincy consists of making the wrong calls (NZ in the
AI's), saying nothing to his team-mates most of the time or
berating them for not passing to him (Cips in SA), or repeatedly
getting warned about his shouting and screaming at sir while not
having the first clue how to speak to them (many on the Sarries
forum say he's not a captain).
>
> If this was any other player they wouldn't be anywhere near
the team. Even his ex team-mates are now calling him Englands
weak link:
>
>
HTML https://www.france24.com/en/20190129-hothead-england-captain-farrell-weak-link-stringer
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>
>
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Oh, and this? Yeah, this is just utter rubbish.
Passing average? Kicking out of hand poor? Bizarre. When did you
last watch Farrell play, 5 years ago?
Captaincy hardly relevant because it'll be Hartley for the WC -
and you can't tell me Faz doesn't have the attributes to make a
great captain one day. It's a learning curve. He's got the
respect of the squad - so he's well on the way, just needs to
learn the etiquettes. That will come.
The thing he has in spades is passion - rivalled perhaps only by
the likes of Brownie, Vunipola, Sinck... You can't coach the
level of intensity Faz brings to the game at the top level. I'm
sure he'll rein in his tackling (although I do think those types
of things get blown out of proportion when it comes to the world
class guys - the media circus goes crazy for that stuff). But
the fight he shows to go after everything, if cloned across the
rest of the team, would see us win every time. He makes game
changing plays, cover tackles, passes - you name it. Big game
player. Always first name on the England team sheet for me.
#Post#: 16074--------------------------------------------------
Re: England team
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: January 31, 2019, 12:39 pm
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Faz and Ford are both fine players - you'd have to be massively
one-eyed to claim that Ford's "been found out time and again"
while overlooking the times Faz has been an utter liability
though. Both are prone to it now and then.
#Post#: 16078--------------------------------------------------
Re: England team
DIR By: Rocker
Date: January 31, 2019, 3:07 pm
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One of the rugby pods (can't remember which) has been saying
Daly at 15 for this game and if he still can't cut it then
that's it, end the experiment. Personally I think that he had 4
games in the autumn and didn't impress, why does anyone think
Daly is going to improve now?
#Post#: 16079--------------------------------------------------
Re: England team
DIR By: poorfour
Date: January 31, 2019, 3:15 pm
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--- Quote from: honkytonk link ---
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> That's fine but, ive been saying for a while "Who plays if
Brown picks up an injury the day before the first game?". Jones
should not be "trying" stuff now, he should have done this
before now.
>
>
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I am pretty sure that Eddie's plan was to play Watson into the
role; he certainly looked the part on the Lions tour. But Watson
has been crocked pretty much ever since - but was always
supposed to be fit again in time. As that has looked less
likely, Eddie's looked for other options.
As far as the RWC is concerned, England can't really afford to
think in terms of "first choice" and "backup". They have one of
the hardest schedules imaginable: Argentina, France, QF, SF,
Final on successive weeks if they want to win the thing.
Eddie needs to be thinking (and I think is thinking) in terms of
having 31 players who would all merit a start. There's just no
way to play 5 games of that intensity with the same XXIII.
What might that mean? Something like this perhaps (though lots
up for debate):
Props (6): Mako, Genge, Moon; Sinckler, Williams, Cole
Hookers (3): Hartley, George, LCD
Locks (4): Itoje, Kruis, Lawes, Launchbury
Back rows (5): Billy, Underhill, Wilson, Shields, Robshaw,
Hughes
Scum halves (3): Youngs, Care, Robson
Fly halves (2): Ford, Farrell
Centres (4): Tuilagi, Slade, Joseph, Te'o
Back three (4): May, Daly, Nowell, Brown
I just put that together, and I'm guessing at a few of the edge
calls. But the point is that you'd be happy to see pretty much
any player in that squad in the starting XV. Robson and Williams
aside, pretty much all of them have had decent chunks of time as
starters.
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Re: England team
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: January 31, 2019, 5:17 pm
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If Cole gets near an England shirt again we may as well give up
and come home
#Post#: 16083--------------------------------------------------
Re: England team
DIR By: poorfour
Date: January 31, 2019, 6:48 pm
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--- Quote from: Blucherquin link ---
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> If Cole gets near an England shirt again we may as well give
up and come home
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He’s playing well at the moment. Who would be your third
tighthead in his place?
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Re: England team
DIR By: Bolly-Quin
Date: January 31, 2019, 7:34 pm
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Do you not think Curry will get a look in, Poorfour?
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