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#Post#: 14055--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dave Ward
DIR By: nowexnavyquin
Date: January 6, 2019, 10:10 am
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Carr neck rolling a Saints player and yet no penalty, doubt we
will see any outrage about that from.the Wasps lot.
#Post#: 14057--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dave Ward
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: January 6, 2019, 10:58 am
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It wasn't a neck roll.
I know Austin thought it was, but the other angle showed clearly
it was under the armpits, not around the neck (I thought it was
a neck roll at first and so was paying attention, unlike Oz)
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Re: Dave Ward
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: January 6, 2019, 11:12 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> It wasn't a neck roll.
>
> I know Austin thought it was, but the other angle showed
clearly it was under the armpits, not around the neck (I thought
it was a neck roll at first and so was paying attention, unlike
Oz)
>
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It was that tedious narcissist Healey who started the whole Ward
thing. He saw the slo-mo and immediately said he’d spat even
though no mention from anyone and no one else in commentary team
corrected him or said “no one has mentioned spitting, ref just
calling the treading on foot”.
As soon as the words passed his lips the “story” started.
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Re: Dave Ward
DIR By: Monte
Date: January 6, 2019, 1:26 pm
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Couldn’t we terminate this now and move on? Go to the studio on
Wednesday with your Quins shirt on and have it out with Aus but
just forget it on here.
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Re: Dave Ward
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: January 6, 2019, 5:03 pm
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--- Quote from: Blucherquin link ---
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> It was that tedious narcissist Healey who started the whole
Ward thing. He saw the slo-mo and immediately said he’d spat
even though no mention from anyone and no one else in commentary
team corrected him or said “no one has mentioned spitting, ref
just calling the treading on foot”.
>
> As soon as the words passed his lips the “story” started.
>
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So, is the footage faked, then? He's not been cited so no case
to answer but you can't just blame Healey for it. Forget it and
move on but don't pretend things you don't like didn't happen.
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Re: Dave Ward
DIR By: Blucherquin
Date: January 7, 2019, 7:48 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
>
> So, is the footage faked, then? He's not been cited so no case
to answer but you can't just blame Healey for it. Forget it and
move on but don't pretend things you don't like didn't happen.
>
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In order - no clearly it's not faked and I didn't suggest it
was. I'm not blaming Healey for the incident, I'm pointing out
that BT didn't do its usual rounded assessment of controversial
incidents, I have moved on because it's a game of rugby and
really doesn't bother me in the slightest, and finally - yes
spit came out of his mouth, but as we've constantly discussed,
literally no one on the field or any official or any subsequent
official says that it was Ward spitting at someone. So I'm not
sure what I'm pretending didn't happen. As before, you can't
caution someone for spitting during a rugby match or you'd have
no one left on the field.
The entire story happened because as the replay of the treading
incident was played for the first time, Healey says in
commentary that he spat. None of his co-commentary team
responded to it at the time and as we know, no official either
during or after the match regarded it as being an incident (eg
him spitting at someone). But it's not the "did he or didn't he"
that I was raising, it was exactly the point about how it
unfolded as a "scandal". Nor am I suggesting Healey did it
maliciously etc etc.
(My point about the reputation of his personality is entirely
coincidental with the observation)
Ward has always seemed like a bit of a chippy so-and-so to be
frank and a one-game ban for his idiocy seems mild, but my point
was entirely about what one piece of video proves, as was quite
clear.
That's the whole point of video replays and angles -- and the BT
commentary team, Healey in particular, spend lots of time
telling us how everything looks worse in slow motion and that
certain hits aren't as bad as they look and that other angles
show arms weren't around necks, or were etc...
All that usual objectivity and understanding of what you can and
can't deduce from a single video camera angle coincidentally
vanished (I'm not claiming any grand conspiracy, simply that it
didn't happen) and then the social media furore erupted.
My entire point throughout this has simply been that whether he
spat at someone or not - you can't prove it with the single
piece of video that's been used to "show" it. BT normally would
have made exactly that point -- and they regularly apologise to
officials during games in commentary, for example, where they've
disagreed with the call and then watched video and realised that
the ref got it right or whatever.
You'd normally have expected someone to say "well the officials
haven't made any reference to spitting blah blah" during the
commentary which may well have taken some of the heat of the
whole silly saga.
So yes, I've moved on cheers, the reason I posted was because
Jammy was making exactly the same point about what he said about
the neck roll. He made an instant decision on not enough visual
information. It's unlike BT not to have given it some more
perspective or to have caveated the judgement.
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Re: Dave Ward
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: January 7, 2019, 7:54 am
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I totally agree with BQ. To add to that, there was no
complaints from any Wasps regards to a spit at a player. Also, I
would guess that all of those totally offended on social media,
a fair few prob had not even seen the incident but took the word
of others as gospel and jumped on the bandwagon.
#Post#: 14128--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dave Ward
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: January 7, 2019, 11:14 am
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I think Healey is all about Healey. He pretends to be self
deprecating but he really is not. What he says is usually about
making what he says seem important.
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Re: Dave Ward
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: January 7, 2019, 12:39 pm
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> So yes, I've moved on cheers...
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Jolly good.
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