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       #Post#: 157909--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Gray Returns, Ferguson Departs & Jones Commits
   DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
       Date: October 1, 2026, 1:12 am
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       I like Joe Gray. Seem to remember he could actually throw
       straight? I don't know what resources he had to work with at the
       Exiles so cannot really pass judgement.
       As for Adam Jones (who I have packed down with btw) Quinky is
       right. He was on an open ended contract and I note that there is
       no mention of the Contract Renewal Term.
       Smacks of trying to cover up losing Ferguson by issueing a non
       news story.
       As for both Gray and Jones, is it that you can't make a silk
       purse from a sows ear or killing the golden goose? (Other animal
       related metaphors are available).
       #Post#: 157911--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Gray Returns, Ferguson Departs & Jones Commits
   DIR By: JammyGit
       Date: October 1, 2026, 1:40 am
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       We had a lot of props reliably doing worse with us than they did
       with other clubs or national sides
       #Post#: 157913--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Gray Returns, Ferguson Departs & Jones Commits
   DIR By: A222Quin
       Date: October 1, 2026, 1:57 am
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       Yes, all quite underwhelming really and the timing is pretty
       awful.
       #Post#: 157917--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Gray Returns, Ferguson Departs & Jones Commits
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: October 1, 2026, 3:17 am
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       I imagine Joe was a fairly cheap and easy option with his
       location, plus the media spin will be he's "One of us who knows
       the DNA of the club"...
       Considering our set piece is comfortably in the bottom third for
       its effectiveness, we will soon see if he's any good.
       #Post#: 157918--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Gray Returns, Ferguson Departs & Jones Commits
   DIR By: A222Quin
       Date: October 1, 2026, 3:21 am
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       Unless I'm missing something, Joe won't be doing any set piece
       coaching?
       #Post#: 157920--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Gray Returns, Ferguson Departs & Jones Commits
   DIR By: FromSurrey
       Date: October 1, 2026, 3:25 am
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       Jones cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear
       The props we have are simple never going to dominate in the
       scrum
       #Post#: 157921--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Gray Returns, Ferguson Departs & Jones Commits
   DIR By: A222Quin
       Date: October 1, 2026, 3:35 am
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       --- Quote from: FromSurrey link ---
       >
       > Jones cannot make a silk purse from a sows ear
       > The props we have are simple never going to dominate in the
       scrum
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yes, our recruitment in that area has been more miss than hit.
       If (big if) he has any influence in who comes in then that's
       partially on him as well.
       #Post#: 157922--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Gray Returns, Ferguson Departs & Jones Commits
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: October 1, 2026, 3:37 am
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       --- Quote from: A222Quin link ---
       >
       > Unless I'm missing something, Joe won't be doing any set piece
       coaching?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       More in the broader sense of developing players as that's what
       my understanding a transition coach is. Its a fairly key role
       bridging the gap from academy to senior rugby, and being an ex
       hooker i'd like to think he's going to take a bigger role in the
       development of Staples which will be important as our line out
       is fairly poor (Granted a line out is not just the hookers
       involved) plus his input at scrumtime.
       #Post#: 157924--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Gray Returns, Ferguson Departs & Jones Commits
   DIR By: FrostAndFire
       Date: October 1, 2026, 4:44 am
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       --- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
       >
       > Argentina haven’t really had a dominant scrum for a number of
       years
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yeah, but we're also not needing people who can dominate at
       international level. We need props who can hold their own in the
       Prem. Argentina internationals *should* be able to do that. So
       should Titi and Williams, who are both former internationals.
       That so many of them aren't is a concern. Either we're terrible
       at identifying good props to recruit, or we're not making the
       most of them when they're here. I'm not saying Bomb is to blame.
       I have no idea how much say he has on recruitment. But it does
       suggest his reputation for being a brilliant scrum coach may not
       be fully justified.
       #Post#: 157926--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Gray Returns, Ferguson Departs & Jones Commits
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: October 1, 2026, 4:58 am
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       --- Quote from: FrostAndFire link ---
       >
       > Yeah, but we're also not needing people who can dominate at
       international level. We need props who can hold their own in the
       Prem. Argentina internationals *should* be able to do that. So
       should Titi and Williams, who are both former internationals.
       That so many of them aren't is a concern. Either we're terrible
       at identifying good props to recruit, or we're not making the
       most of them when they're here. I'm not saying Bomb is to blame.
       I have no idea how much say he has on recruitment. But it does
       suggest his reputation for being a brilliant scrum coach may not
       be fully justified.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I asked a former international prop about how much of their
       prowess is down to technique, power etc. The response was that
       it makes a difference if you have a 20 stone lock, and a hefty
       flanker behind you. We seem to have prioritised athleticism
       since the days when Olly Kohn was in the engine room.
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