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#Post#: 156723--------------------------------------------------
Re: Nations Championship fails to solve rugby’s ability to get
in the way of itself
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: July 28, 2026, 4:31 pm
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I'd say stop making law changes intended to appeal to a new
audience that simply isn't interested in rugby. And don't make
changes proposed by a single national union intended to stop
domestic fans from switching their primary support to a rival
sport
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Re: Nations Championship fails to solve rugby’s ability to get
in the way of itself
DIR By: FrostAndFire
Date: July 28, 2026, 4:34 pm
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
>
> I also think that some of the laws appear to be gimmicks -
e.g. the 50-22. Has it really added anything to the game?
> I don't like rule about doing away with the 5m scrum. A goal
line kick out is too much of a benefit.
>
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Nah. I like both of those and think they've added to the game. I
think people have forgotten the tedium of the repeated 5m
scrums, all of which took at least a minute to set up, led a
collapse, followed by more faffing around. Then the ball would
be held up again, and back to the beginning.
Reducing scrum resets has been a bit positive, too. I like a
scrum, but only a limited number per game.
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Re: Nations Championship fails to solve rugby’s ability to get
in the way of itself
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: July 28, 2026, 11:41 pm
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
>
> 50:22 is one I was going to say has worked exactly as planned.
Instead of 14 players across the park in defence, teams now have
2-3 players covering the back field meaning there is either more
space created or more fatigue being put into the players.
>
> The banning of escort lines has also changed the game. IMO
there is less kick tennis (which I consider dull) and more kick
to compete (which I think has more possibility for the kicking
team to retain the ball).
>
> Kicking isn’t inherently bad. Kick tennis is.
>
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Banning escort lines has created more injuries and just changed
the balance of power in kicking, from defence to attack, the
attacking side just has to slap the ball back and the defence
has to catch now.
The game has not become more attractive because of it, and
creating midair collisions is probably not in the interests of
player safety, and again due to refereeing inconsistency, one
man’s penalty is another’s fair contest.
The stated goal was to reduce kicking, which has not happened,
and long distance kick tennis still happens, with the added
incentive of perhaps getting a lucky 50.22.
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Re: Nations Championship fails to solve rugby’s ability to get
in the way of itself
DIR By: Yareet
Date: July 29, 2026, 1:48 am
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--- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
>
> Banning escort lines has created more injuries and just
changed the balance of power in kicking, from defence to attack,
the attacking side just has to slap the ball back and the
defence has to catch now.
>
> The game has not become more attractive because of it, and
creating midair collisions is probably not in the interests of
player safety, and again due to refereeing inconsistency, one
man’s penalty is another’s fair contest.
>
> The stated goal was to reduce kicking, which has not happened,
and long distance kick tennis still happens, with the added
incentive of perhaps getting a lucky 50.22.
>
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I’m genuinely not being difficult when I ask if you have any
evidence of increased injury risk or that the stated goal was to
reduce kicking. Only I like to ground my debates in fact and I
haven’t seen any quotes to support those claims.
On the contrary, the Springbok coach who specialises in kick
chase says that injuries are more likely to occur with escort
players.
www.planetrugby.com/news/world-rugby-going-in-the-right-direction-as-springboks-coaches-celebrate-law-tweak-amid-england-and-ireland-moans
In that article, they also say that the tweak has lowered the
amount of kick tennis (not removed it completely, admittedly).
Somewhat ironically given earlier comments in this thread, Jaco
Peyper also points out that there hasn’t actually been a tweak
to the law - just an implementation of existing law. Although
I’d argue the escort players weren’t offside but were
obstructing.
#Post#: 156731--------------------------------------------------
Re: Nations Championship fails to solve rugby’s ability to get
in the way of itself
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: July 29, 2026, 2:04 am
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Instead of a goal line dropout could we have a drop ball between
2 props?
#Post#: 156732--------------------------------------------------
Re: Nations Championship fails to solve rugby’s ability to get
in the way of itself
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: July 29, 2026, 2:45 am
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The primary impact of the 50:22 has been to convince teams to
kick on turnover ball if they get it behind halfway
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Re: Nations Championship fails to solve rugby’s ability to get
in the way of itself
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: July 29, 2026, 4:39 am
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
>
> I’m genuinely not being difficult when I ask if you have any
evidence of increased injury risk or that the stated goal was to
reduce kicking. Only I like to ground my debates in fact and I
haven’t seen any quotes to support those claims.
>
> On the contrary, the Springbok coach who specialises in kick
chase says that injuries are more likely to occur with escort
players.
>
>
www.planetrugby.com/news/world-rugby-going-in-the-right-direction-as-springboks-coaches-celebrate-law-tweak-amid-england-and-ireland-moans
>
> In that article, they also say that the tweak has lowered the
amount of kick tennis (not removed it completely, admittedly).
>
> Somewhat ironically given earlier comments in this thread,
Jaco Peyper also points out that there hasn’t actually been a
tweak to the law - just an implementation of existing law.
Although I’d argue the escort players weren’t offside but were
obstructing.
>
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HTML https://www.world.rugby/media-zone/advisory/927372
All based on increased fan engagement which in the links to this
somewhere says the new laws are to reduce kicking, are you
seriously suggesting that midair collisions are a good idea,
there is a Loughborough university research document that
suggests not.
To massively improve the law, just outlaw one handed slapping of
the ball, there are wording changes so rewriting a law is not
implementing an existing law.
Is the South African coach a qualified medical professional.
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Re: Nations Championship fails to solve rugby’s ability to get
in the way of itself
DIR By: Yareet
Date: July 29, 2026, 6:21 am
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--- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
>
>
HTML https://www.world.rugby/media-zone/advisory/927372
>
> All based on increased fan engagement which in the links to
this somewhere says the new laws are to reduce kicking, are you
seriously suggesting that midair collisions are a good idea,
there is a Loughborough university research document that
suggests not.
>
> To massively improve the law, just outlaw one handed slapping
of the ball, there are wording changes so rewriting a law is not
implementing an existing law.
>
> Is the South African coach a qualified medical professional.
>
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Small point but I don't think that's the right law announcement.
This one is when the DuPont law came in (July 2024) but I think
the escort runners was for Autumn that year.
I've only had a quick glance over the link you sent and not read
it in full but I couldn't see any mention of escort runners. The
laws mentioned seem to be the DuPont law, free kick can't be a
scrum, banning the croc roll, clocks for setting a
scrum/lineout, protect the 9, a mark from a restart, maul can
only stop once and an uncontested lineout can be crooked.
And no, of course I'm not suggesting midair collisions are a
good idea which is why I didn't say that.
My point was that the SA coach believes from his research that
it is the escort players who cause most collisions as they take
out the jumper. Or course, I've not seen his research so I don't
if that is true but it is (IMO) an expert opinion from somebody
who seems to have actually studied the matter.
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Re: Nations Championship fails to solve rugby’s ability to get
in the way of itself
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: July 29, 2026, 7:24 am
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
>
> Small point but I don't think that's the right law
announcement. This one is when the DuPont law came in (July
2024) but I think the escort runners was for Autumn that year.
>
> I've only had a quick glance over the link you sent and not
read it in full but I couldn't see any mention of escort
runners. The laws mentioned seem to be the DuPont law, free kick
can't be a scrum, banning the croc roll, clocks for setting a
scrum/lineout, protect the 9, a mark from a restart, maul can
only stop once and an uncontested lineout can be crooked.
>
> And no, of course I'm not suggesting midair collisions are a
good idea which is why I didn't say that.
>
> My point was that the SA coach believes from his research that
it is the escort players who cause most collisions as they take
out the jumper. Or course, I've not seen his research so I don't
if that is true but it is (IMO) an expert opinion from somebody
who seems to have actually studied the matter.
>
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The reduction of kicking has been set out in the name of making
rugby entertaining, which all of the law changes since 2024, are
supposed to do, people running into each other on a rugby pitch,
I would still argue even if more numerous is less serious than
landing on your head or neck from height.
Is a bit like the school that banned children from having pencil
sharpeners, only to find them suffering from puncture wounds
when they sharpened their pencils with craft tools.
#Post#: 156740--------------------------------------------------
Re: Nations Championship fails to solve rugby’s ability to get
in the way of itself
DIR By: Yareet
Date: July 29, 2026, 7:46 am
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--- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
>
> The reduction of kicking has been set out in the name of
making rugby entertaining, which all of the law changes since
2024, are supposed to do,
>
> people running into each other on a rugby pitch, I would still
argue even if more numerous is less serious than landing on your
head or neck from height.
>
>
> Is a bit like the school that banned children from having
pencil sharpeners, only to find them suffering from puncture
wounds when they sharpened their pencils with craft tools.
>
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Again I've not seen anything that says that all law changes
since 2024 are aimed at reducing kicking. Of the eight laws
highlighted in the article you cited, only one would seem to do
so. Two could be argued encourage more kicking (no scrum from a
free kick and a mark from a restart).
And I think we have a different interpretation of the SA coach's
point. My understanding was that the danger came from escort
players changing their lines and appearing underneath a jumping
kick chaser.
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> With all the law changes around the high balls, I haven’t seen
any dangerous contests in the past two years. I probably watched
thousands and thousands of kicks when I analyse games, and
usually the people who were bringing the danger into the contest
were the third parties.
>
> “The people around the contest area where the ball was
landing, that’s where it was dangerous.
--- End Quote ---
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> [A]s a chaser, you don’t see the movement that is happening on
the ground and at the last moment, they block the chase and you
are already jumping… that’s where you would see a lot of players
landing with their heads and shoulders into the ground but I
have to be honest, in the past two years it’s been cleaned up,
you haven’t seen any of those incidents
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