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#Post#: 156598--------------------------------------------------
Re: England 23 for Argentina
DIR By: Quinky
Date: July 21, 2026, 8:17 am
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--- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
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> No there hasn’t because it is impossible, the closest is the
Nordic model, and of those countries, Sweden, but even they
rowed back from their great experiment of 1970/90.
>
> Kjell-Olof Feldt, Social Democratic Minister of Finance
(1983–1990): “What we believed in as young socialists simply
turned out to be impossible in practice.”
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I'd agree it's impossible. But that doesn't stop people trying,
and it doesn't penetrate the brainwashed youth with their blind
ideology.
Funny how they never know about things like the "New Harmony"
experiment, or the Oneida Community.
As the great Margaret (Peace Be Upon Her) famously said: "The
problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of
other people's money". Or as Taylor allegedly said: "A socialist
is someone who wants everything you have, apart from your job".
#Post#: 156599--------------------------------------------------
Re: England 23 for Argentina
DIR By: Yareet
Date: July 21, 2026, 9:08 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> Or as Taylor allegedly said: "A socialist is someone who wants
everything you have, apart from your job".
>
--- End Quote ---
Was that in Shake It Off?
#Post#: 156601--------------------------------------------------
Re: England 23 for Argentina
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: July 21, 2026, 9:28 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> I'd agree it's impossible. But that doesn't stop people
trying, and it doesn't penetrate the brainwashed youth with
their blind ideology.
>
> Funny how they never know about things like the "New Harmony"
experiment, or the Oneida Community.
>
> As the great Margaret (Peace Be Upon Her) famously said: "The
problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of
other people's money". Or as Taylor allegedly said: "A socialist
is someone who wants everything you have, apart from your job".
>
--- End Quote ---
But equally a completely free market economy will not work, so
every country in the world is a mixed market economy but with
enormous differences between them.
The differences are like a triangle with China having a heavily
command controlled model, the USA trying to be as close to a
Free market economy as it can, and the Nordic countries having a
high tax and welfare model.
The trick to economic success is creating the model that the
majority of the population are content with and sticking with
it, most US citizens would not be happy in Sweden or Denmark,
and they would not be happy in the USA.
Argentina for social reasons, like the massive immigration of
Italian and Spanish in the last century and the subsequent
economic decline has never and likely never will achieve
consensus on the economy, social welfare, etc.
And a unique and destabilising political system has grown out of
this which just goes round in circles , the current reforms will
fail for the simple reasons that the currency is still
overvalued, to devalue it would just cause mass inflation, and
the current reforms have decreased Argentine reserves, which
will ultimately lead to mass inflation, and of course there is
no incentive for foreign investment.
The current results of massive cuts to government spending,
could have been achieved by raising taxation without the huge
social inequality and poverty that spending cuts have caused,
they are in a hyperinflation doom loop which is near impossible
to escape, you can increase taxation and be told there is no
incentive for investment or you can cut public spending and
increase poverty and inequality.
The only way out is not by socialism or far right politics, but
by a consensus between the major political parties on how to run
the economy regarding public spending and borrowing and
taxation, not on exact levels but on the broad area they will be
in, which is the case in most countries albeit unspoken.
#Post#: 156602--------------------------------------------------
Re: England 23 for Argentina
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: July 21, 2026, 9:33 am
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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> Was that in Shake It Off?
>
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Sounds more like mirrorball.
#Post#: 156603--------------------------------------------------
Re: England 23 for Argentina
DIR By: never sleep
Date: July 21, 2026, 9:42 am
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--- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
>
> But equally a completely free market economy will not work, so
every country in the world is a mixed market economy but with
enormous differences between them.
>
> The differences are like a triangle with China having a
heavily command controlled model, the USA trying to be as close
to a Free market economy as it can, and the Nordic countries
having a high tax and welfare model.
>
> The trick to economic success is creating the model that the
majority of the population are content with and sticking with
it, most US citizens would not be happy in Sweden or Denmark,
and they would not be happy in the USA.
>
> Argentina for social reasons, like the massive immigration of
Italian and Spanish in the last century and the subsequent
economic decline has never and likely never will achieve
consensus on the economy, social welfare, etc.
>
> And a unique and destabilising political system has grown out
of this which just goes round in circles , the current reforms
will fail for the simple reasons that the currency is still
overvalued, to devalue it would just cause mass inflation, and
the current reforms have decreased Argentine reserves, which
will ultimately lead to mass inflation, and of course there is
no incentive for foreign investment.
>
> The current results of massive cuts to government spending,
could have been achieved by raising taxation without the huge
social inequality and poverty that spending cuts have caused,
they are in a hyperinflation doom loop which is near impossible
to escape, you can increase taxation and be told there is no
incentive for investment or you can cut public spending and
increase poverty and inequality.
>
> The only way out is not by socialism or far right politics,
but by a consensus between the major political parties on how to
run the economy regarding public spending and borrowing and
taxation, not on exact levels but on the broad area they will be
in, which is the case in most countries albeit unspoken.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Do you think that Alex Coles was pondering this during the game
and that is why he knocked the ball on and gave away the penalty
try?
#Post#: 156604--------------------------------------------------
Re: England 23 for Argentina
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: July 21, 2026, 9:46 am
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Alex Coles was probably thinking how is that a penalty try with
two defenders between the attacker and the line, the referee was
probably thinking of how to leave the ground alive.
#Post#: 156607--------------------------------------------------
Re: England 23 for Argentina
DIR By: Quinky
Date: July 21, 2026, 10:52 am
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--- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
>
> But equally a completely free market economy will not work, so
every country in the world is a mixed market economy but with
enormous differences between them.
>
> Singapore would like a word...
>
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
>
> The current results of massive cuts to government spending,
could have been achieved by raising taxation without the huge
social inequality and poverty that spending cuts have caused,
they are in a hyperinflation doom loop which is near impossible
to escape, you can increase taxation and be told there is no
incentive for investment or you can cut public spending and
increase poverty and inequality.
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Or, option 3. Cut government waste, reduce the farcical welfare
bill, improve efficiencies, encourage and incentivise people to
work. Hey presto!
--- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
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>
> The only way out is not by socialism or far right politics
>
>
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Ah, not "right wing" or "centre right", but "far right". That's
very telling.
#Post#: 156608--------------------------------------------------
Re: England 23 for Argentina
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: July 21, 2026, 11:05 am
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The present Argentine president is undoubtedly far right.
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/20/who-is-javier-milei-argentina-new-president-far-right-what-does-he-stand-for?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
#Post#: 156609--------------------------------------------------
Re: England 23 for Argentina
DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
Date: July 21, 2026, 11:37 am
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The Guardian is one of the last sources I would trust to
accurately describe who is far right.
#Post#: 156611--------------------------------------------------
Re: England 23 for Argentina
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: July 21, 2026, 11:58 am
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--- Quote from: Quinten Poulsen link ---
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> The Guardian is one of the last sources I would trust to
accurately describe who is far right.
>
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Along with Quinky.
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