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       Re: Ellie?
   DIR By: Banstead Quin
       Date: June 3, 2026, 7:34 am
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       --- Quote from: toast link ---
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       > Sorry BQ,I will endeavour to be a better conspiracy theorist
       in future.......
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       That's the spirit 😜
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       Re: Ellie?
   DIR By: DOK
       Date: June 3, 2026, 9:59 am
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       It's a weird situation. I don't want to come across as Mr
       Conspiracy Theorist but...
       Did you notice how all the usual media channels kept to some
       sort of Sicilian omerta until the news was officially announced?
       There were none of the usual "rumours abound of a big departure
       from Harlequins women..." ampifying what was happening on the
       fans platforms.
       "I've always tried to be the best player I can be, giving
       everything I have every time I step onto the pitch.
       "For me, that's always been about being in the right environment
       - one where I can be unapologetically myself and work with those
       who truly value each individual and what they bring to the team.
       "I'm incredibly grateful to the supporters and my team-mates
       who've inspired me to play the rugby I love.
       "Things may not always be in our control, and I'm gutted to be
       leaving, I wish everyone at Quins the best for what's next."
       I can read that as maybe she feels she's not in the right
       environment, is being pushed to be someone she doesn't want to
       be and is working with people who don't value her as an
       individual. Team-mates and supporters she's grateful to, no
       mention of the club that she's been at for 5 years. Perhaps
       she's not in control of the decision to leave and is gutted as a
       result.
       OK, I'll take the tin foil hat off now but I can't help but feel
       there's a story still to emerge there.
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       Re: Ellie?
   DIR By: elbombero
       Date: June 3, 2026, 10:15 am
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       The other part of it - who is she going to join - I think at
       this stage, it might be....nobody? If this HAS come out of the
       blue for whatever reason, and is a parting of the ways, then she
       may not have any club lined up for next season.
       She's just finished a World Cup cycle, and a Six Nations, and
       maybe she'll just take a break? Mini book tour coming up as
       well, might have mind on other things? Am sure she'll absolutely
       have plenty of suitors, but I would imagine that a lot of clubs
       would already have their plans already in place for next season
       (and just can't announce them until now), so clubs may not have
       the salary space for her?
       I dunno. Am trying to make it make sense in my head, cos the
       other option is that the club has let one of their best players
       and most marketable assets leave. I guess we'll never know.
       Apologies if I've missed it somewhere else, but have the club
       announced the list of players leaving the women's set-up this
       season (outside the big names - Konkel, Tuima, Bimba, Izzy
       Matthews)? I do vaguely remember Emma Swords making a barbed
       comment earlier this year on social media (something about her
       last game for the club, and that was around January!).
       The thing that hurts most is that she didn't get to say bye
       properly on Saturday. That feels totally on the club.
       #Post#: 155020--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Ellie?
   DIR By: poorfour
       Date: June 3, 2026, 12:12 pm
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       The turnover of players in the women’s squad is typically higher
       than the men’s, primarily because a large proportion of the
       squad are on volunteer contracts rather than fully pro.
       Obviously that wouldn’t have applied to Ellie - but it will have
       applied to most of the players who were announced as departing
       (and any more we are yet to hear about).
       I also wonder if the club is skewing things towards the talent
       coming through their pipeline. I don’t think we’ve seen Solana
       Shaw de Leon in the 1st XV this season, but she’s shown a lot of
       potential at U21 level and the club may feel she will be ready
       to fulfil that role next season.
       #Post#: 155024--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Ellie?
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: June 3, 2026, 12:35 pm
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       Do any clubs get bigger attendances than us?
       One thing she mentioned is that after playing for England, she
       was having difficulties getting motivated to play in front of
       2800 fans at The Stoop.
       So, maybe she wants to go somewhere where there are bigger
       crowds.
       Personally, I thought our attendances looked pretty good.
       #Post#: 155039--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Ellie?
   DIR By: Arlecchino
       Date: June 3, 2026, 3:42 pm
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  HTML https://www.telegraph.co.uk/womens-sport/2026/06/03/why-ellie-kildunne-left-harlequins-and-what-comes-next/
       The noise around Ellie Kildunne’s departure from Harlequins is
       an adequate measure of how the landscape in women’s club rugby
       is changing.
       Given how the news of her exit was disseminated, it was clear
       that the relationship between Kildunne and Harlequins had become
       fractured beyond repair.
       Rather tellingly, the Red Roses full-back was not even quoted in
       the four-paragraph-long statement that Harlequins issued on
       Monday, instead publishing her own cryptic Instagram post in
       which she revealed she was “gutted” to be leaving the
       west-London club
       Telegraph Sport understands Kildunne’s punishment was mainly
       because of her timekeeping. According to a well-placed source,
       she was repeatedly late to team meetings and was also pulled up
       over her lack of application in training. Her relationship with
       head coach Ross Chisholm – a person who is familiar with the
       rigours of professional rugby, having made 128 appearances for
       the quartered shirts at full-back – is said to have become
       strained as a result.
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       Re: Ellie?
   DIR By: Mayor West
       Date: June 3, 2026, 4:38 pm
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       Got too big for her boots then. Superstar complex. Marland Yarde
       all over again. A shame as to start with she was fantastic. My
       daughter was very disappointed that her and Lucy Packer didn’t
       interact with the fans at Quins first game at home after the
       World Cup win. In fact I don’t think the Loughborough England
       players did either. Sadia didn’t which was also a let down as my
       daughter knew her from being in the Richmond CofE together and
       wanted to congratulate her.
       #Post#: 155041--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Ellie?
   DIR By: Rugbycat
       Date: June 3, 2026, 6:35 pm
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       She seems to have found the aftermath of the RWC, a bit
       anticlimactic, and her form has not been at the same level as
       before it.
       Harlequins are looking to develop international level players
       through the pathway, and the PWR wage cap is very low, for the
       good reason, of not repeating the mistakes of men’s professional
       rugby, around sustainability, and that it will only be raised
       when there is increased revenue.
       So it is likely that we are, looking at the next generation of
       players to come through our pathway, and we have a number of
       outstanding prospects, but the financial side is tight, and
       focused to a large degree, on players in university, as much of
       what can be provided to them falls outside the cap.
       Clubs try to find, inventive ways of attracting and retaining
       players, Trailfinders rent a a few houses right next to the
       ground, and surrounding streets, (I have them on one side of my
       house and a family of Saracens supporters on the other side)
       which players share, because of the way the cap regulations deal
       with accommodation, this does not really affect the cap that
       much, but offers a real perk to the players.
       At present, if we the 3rd best team in London, and we need to
       change things, we did incredibly well in the PWR cup, with
       younger players, there is a limit to what you can offer someone
       who has left the educational system under the present wage
       rules, and that, could well be the reason for EK leaving.
       #Post#: 155045--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Ellie?
   DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
       Date: June 3, 2026, 11:52 pm
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       So, fell out with the Coach, p-issed off her fellow players and
       other coaches by being a brat about timekeeping and effort
       through training sessions, stopped interacting with fans in
       small club crowds, allegedly asked for a much larger chunk of
       the cap ( which would have unbalanced the whole Club pay
       structure) and wanted complete control over image rights as well
       as wanting lots of time off to capitalise on her side hustles.
       Is that about right?
       #Post#: 155047--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Ellie?
   DIR By: T-Bone
       Date: June 4, 2026, 12:13 am
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       As the saying goes, no-one is bigger than the club, not even
       cowboys. Obviously I have no idea if any of this is true.
       Compare to the stories you hear about Marcus. Hardest trainer,
       first in, lad out, etc. "driving standards", to borrow a much
       overused phrase
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