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Re: Jeopardy and Momentum
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: April 29, 2026, 10:54 am
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I think I'm with Deadly on this one. Tossers are tossers either
way and there are plenty of non rugby supporting or playing
tossers at HQ for England games who add no benefit to the game
outside of that.
I'd rather have other STHs or people who pay to watch a club, at
any level, 5 times a season than some chinless wonder who's
there for beer and bants.
Those playing on a Saturday, thank you for your service.
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Re: Jeopardy and Momentum
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: April 29, 2026, 11:24 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
>
> I think I'm with Deadly on this one. Tossers are tossers
either way and there are plenty of non rugby supporting or
playing tossers at HQ for England games who add no benefit to
the game outside of that.
>
> I'd rather have other STHs or people who pay to watch a club,
at any level, 5 times a season than some chinless wonder who's
there for beer and bants.
>
> Those playing on a Saturday, thank you for your service.
>
--- End Quote ---
I assume it's never occurred to you that those chinless wonders
might actually be members of rugby clubs, social or playing, and
may well be fairly representative of rugby club folk?
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Re: Jeopardy and Momentum
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: April 29, 2026, 11:57 am
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Prem 'will be unrecognisable in 10 years' - Tigers CEO
Leicester Tigers chief executive Andrea Pinchen says the "future
is bright" for The Prem, which she believes will be
"unrecognisable in 10 years" after plans to change England's
top-flight were adopted.
The competition will move to a franchise-style model, with
promotion and relegation to be scrapped, from next season in a
move that Prem officials have argued will provide the certainty
needed to lure new investment.
Exeter Chiefs - who were promoted from the second tier in 2010
and went on to win two Premiership titles as well as the
European Champions Cup within a decade - have become the latest
club to attract new major backers, with the billionaire owners
of Premier League side Bournemouth closing in on a takeover.
Newcastle were bought by energy drinks giant Red Bull in August,
while billionaire industrialist Sir James Dyson became co-owner
of Bath in March after sinking significant new capital into the
champions.
Pinchen said the clubs are three examples of how the
"opportunity is huge" for the Prem to build.
"The fact that these multi-nationals are coming to the table to
invest shows that there is the opportunity there and there is
that growth there," she told BBC Radio Leicester.
"In another 10 years' time I think it will be unrecognisable.
"It feels very exciting and there is still lots of work to do to
get there, of course there is, and we still have to balance the
books whilst getting there, but I think the future is bright.
"People that want to come in and who are interested in rugby as
a proposition, obviously don't want to invest with the risk of
relegation, so I understand why that's happened.
"I also understand the flip where people say 'where's the
jeopardy and what's to play for?', but I think that period of
stability for investors to come in is critical for our sport and
for us to grow moving forward."
Pinchen said the spike in attention that Leicester's Prem rivas
have generated this season has also increased the level of
interest in Tigers.
She said the backing of majority shareholder and chairman Tom
Scott, as well as club president Peter Tom, has the club in a
"good place".
"We have been so well supported by our own investors, Tom Scott
and Peter Tom, who still continue to invest and they're
extremely supportive," she said.
"We're not actively proactive out in the market seeking
investment but yes, of course, those conversations are always
being had.
"Has there been more? Yes, there has, but I think the important
thing for us as a club is that we are here for the long term and
we're not relying on one person who is able, and [we're] very
grateful [for], to put their hand their pocket all the time."
Financial sustainability and "standing on our own two feet" are
what the Tigers are most focused on, Pinchen says.
Leicester made a pre-tax loss of £5.3m for the 2024-25 season,,
external which was up from a £4.4m loss 12 months earlier.
"At the moment we're loss-making, but we're working hard to
ensure that we can stand on our own two feet, that we can grow
from within, invest in the academy, get more investment in the
academy and really grow from that point," she said.
"It is a long-term project for us to be sustainable.
Financially, at the moment, we're on a strong financial footing.
Do we want to be on a stronger footing? Yes, of course. And
that's the aim and that's what we're working towards.
"It's not about winning today or making decisions today at the
expense of tomorrow, you've got to really balance the two."
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Re: Jeopardy and Momentum
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: April 29, 2026, 12:34 pm
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
>
> I think I'm with Deadly on this one. Tossers are tossers
either way and there are plenty of non rugby supporting or
playing tossers at HQ for England games who add no benefit to
the game outside of that.
>
> I'd rather have other STHs or people who pay to watch a club,
at any level, 5 times a season than some chinless wonder who's
there for beer and bants.
>
> Those playing on a Saturday, thank you for your service.
>
--- End Quote ---
Have you met the average Quins fan
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Re: Jeopardy and Momentum
DIR By: RodneyRegis
Date: April 29, 2026, 4:37 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> I don't love the idea that in order to apply for an
international ticket you must be able to afford either a season
ticket or several matches at a Prem club. Let's not price out
90% of the market.
>
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. Whilst I agree it's a bad idea, I think 90% of the market is
already priced out by £150+ tickets.
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Re: Jeopardy and Momentum
DIR By: Quinky
Date: April 30, 2026, 2:17 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
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> In my day, we played our club games early to allow time to get
to HQ for the International.
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What was it like, playing alongside that Webb Ellis chap? :)
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Re: Jeopardy and Momentum
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: April 30, 2026, 2:23 am
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B-ugger never used to pass.
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Re: Jeopardy and Momentum
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: April 30, 2026, 3:43 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
>
> I don't love the idea that in order to apply for an
international ticket you must be able to afford either a season
ticket or several matches at a Prem club. Let's not price out
90% of the market.
>
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OK. So maybe anyone who is a long term registered member/player
of a RFU recognised club gets first dibs?
It is a little irksome on this board that people queue up to
naysay any ideas put forward but themselves won't stick their
head above the parapet and come up with suggestions, good or
bad, for consideration.
Don't give me problems, give me solutions!
The empty corporate areas 10 minutes into the game and after
half time kind of need addressing, don't they?
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Re: Jeopardy and Momentum
DIR By: SaracenM
Date: April 30, 2026, 3:44 am
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If I may, I think the comparison with football and promotion and
relegation is flawed in a basic level as they simply have more
competitive Leagues.
For most of the time we've had it in English rugby union the
team going down and coming up has been pretty much confirmed
half to two thirds of the way through the season.
The odd season has had battles till later on but at most they've
tended to be between a couple of teams.
I guess the question is how do you incentivise performance when
nothings at stake? Penalising poor performance will probably
perpetuate it. Rewarding it just feels wrong although I love the
NFL type draft of young players and wonder if that might be
something to look at.
At the end of the day it really does come down to the coaches,
players and even supporters.
I hope I dont get too much hate for saying this but I think the
proudest Ive been of Saracens was the way the team responded in
the season we were rightly relegated.
Those players gave it their all for the entire season despite
knowing the results wouldn't change anything.
I look at too many Prem teams now and whilst I sympathise with
issues with injury, lack of form etc too many players look
checked out.
Its a real shame and for me reflects poorly on them as much or
more so than the inate competitiveness of the League.
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Re: Jeopardy and Momentum
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: April 30, 2026, 4:11 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
>
> OK. So maybe anyone who is a long term registered
member/player of a RFU recognised club gets first dibs?
>
> It is a little irksome on this board that people queue up to
naysay any ideas put forward but themselves won't stick their
head above the parapet and come up with suggestions, good or
bad, for consideration.
>
> Don't give me problems, give me solutions!
>
> The empty corporate areas 10 minutes into the game and after
half time kind of need addressing, don't they?
>
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Sorry if your ideas suck, I guess. Going to see the national
team play should not be the preserve of people who pass some
kind of purity test involving the club game. It should be as
accessible as possible - better for the future health of the
sport, better for growing the audience, better for the people
who actually go because the atmosphere won't be a bunch of old
farts discussing their investment portfolios and how they don't
understand the forward pass law.
If the problem is the empty corporate areas, then the problem is
the corporate tickets, not Joe Public. But -I think you've got
this entirely backwards. The "problem" trying to be solved is
this one:
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> how does the RFU convert selling out Twickenham/huge TV
figures for England into attendances at club/grass roots?
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somehow you think the answer to this is to ensure that the only
people who get to Twickenham are the ones who are already part
of the club system, thus making the stated problem worse. People
aren't going to pay for STHs or invest their time and effort
into the club/community game because there's a chance of England
tickets. The question being posed is how do you get a bigger
percentage of the hordes of people who watch England in person
or on TV interested in the club game? It's not "how do you
restrict access to England".
Anyway, here's a random suggestion: if you buy tickets to see
England, you get your choice of complimentary tickets for one of
the Big Games. It's obviously not a brilliant idea as it stands,
but it is the sort of thing that should be considered.
However, I firmly believe the real threat isn't the relative
lack of support for the pro clubs - that's been growing
naturally over time and doesn't need the RFU to help out much
more - but participation in the sport at the grass roots level.
I simply don't know enough about grassroots rugby to know what
to suggest here.
First we need to agree what the problem needing a solution
actually is. Then we can make suggestions. And, very
importantly, none of this matters as it'll never happen anyway,
so we're just making conversation.
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