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Re: Brian Moore
By: PostVideo Date: March 25, 2026, 5:46 am
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Bruce Craig responds to Brian Moore
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Re: Brian Moore
By: Camquin Date: March 25, 2026, 7:00 am
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I was with Bruce until he said that the cap should keep in line
with other leagues.
Surely any cap for any league has to keep in line with that
league's earning power.
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Re: Brian Moore
By: Rugbycat Date: March 25, 2026, 7:52 am
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[quote author=Quinky link=topic=8008.msg151504#msg151504
date=1774338103]
"Unlimited education fund for players."
This is a point that I think clubs could (or maybe do) really
exploit. We all know that a tiny number of players will earn
enough from rugby (and associated links) to survive after
retirement from playing. There are only so many coaching gigs
and TV slots; plus, most will only ever write one book and very
few will sell all that well (plus books don't actually earn that
much unless you're JK Rowling or Jamie Oliver).
A player who enters the corporate world at 33 is already way
behind on experience, so a bundle of qualifications would be a
nice boost. Possibly the best example I can think of is Jamie
Roberts. Going from rugby to being a qualified doctor won't mean
a massive step down in income, and I doubt he's got a horrific
student loan hanging over his head. That's not to say Quins
should aim to bolster the NHS, but equally to step from the
pitch to being a qualifies accountant/surveyor/architect isn't
beyond the aims of many.
[/quote]Any payments after leaving would be counted in the time
the player was at the club, the idea is that players university
fees can be paid while at the club, so they don’t accumulate a
student loan, same is also in the PWR cap.
So there is no facility for post contract education not being
counted, it would be counted as a payment as are exit payments.
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Re: Brian Moore
By: The Absolute Quintet Date: March 25, 2026, 8:07 am
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[quote author=Camquin link=topic=8008.msg151666#msg151666
date=1774440014]
I was with Bruce until he said that the cap should keep in line
with other leagues.
Surely any cap for any league has to keep in line with that
league's earning power.
[/quote]
For me Bruce clearly wins this argument but you make an
interesting point CQ. I guess Bruce extends his "eco-system" to
include other leagues because for all sorts of reasons there
needs to be some balance/parity across the whole to prevent one
from sucking in all the oxygen.
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Re: Brian Moore
By: Yareet Date: March 25, 2026, 8:11 am
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[quote author=The Absolute Quintet
link=topic=8008.msg151669#msg151669 date=1774444026]
For me Bruce clearly wins this argument but you make an
interesting point CQ. I guess Bruce extends his "eco-system" to
include other leagues because for all sorts of reasons there
needs to be some balance/parity across the whole to prevent one
from sucking in all the oxygen.
[/quote]
So should we match player salaries to the Fijian league?
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Re: Brian Moore
By: The Absolute Quintet Date: March 25, 2026, 8:34 am
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[quote author=Yareet link=topic=8008.msg151670#msg151670
date=1774444319]
So should we match player salaries to the Fijian league?
[/quote]
Er, well, no. "Other leagues", not all. Top 14 is really where
it's at obvs.
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Re: Brian Moore
By: Rugbycat Date: March 25, 2026, 8:44 am
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[quote author=Bayernquin link=topic=8008.msg151609#msg151609
date=1774378903]
The French will never give up the Top 14\ Brennus for a Europa
League! and why should they! I often also watch ProD2, which is
as good as the Prem, good viewing on a Thursday night, and 2
matches on a Friday!
[/quote]D2 is not as good as the prem, it is very physical and
intense, but there is a big variation between the clubs
relegated from the Top14 and those promoted from the Nationale
and also in budget, it is better than the Champ because it is
fully pro.
It is fun to watch and some of the games are on the edge of
legality and more like a war than a rugby match, the league is
often very close with 5 or 6 teams very close at the top.
Relegated teams like Grenoble and Brive have struggled with how
physical it is, other teams have bounced straight back up, but
again quality of play wise it is below the prem.
Saying that no doubt we would struggle to beat a full strength
D2 team from the top of the league at present.
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Re: Brian Moore
By: Yareet Date: March 25, 2026, 8:48 am
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[quote author=The Absolute Quintet
link=topic=8008.msg151671#msg151671 date=1774445664]
Er, well, no. "Other leagues", not all. Top 14 is really where
it's at obvs.
[/quote]
But that proves my point. Because it's not balance or parity
that your looking for; it's dominance of a few leagues and for
the Prem to be part of that club.
Nobody wants one league sucking in all the oxygen ... apart from
those involved in that league.
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Re: Brian Moore
By: The Absolute Quintet Date: March 25, 2026, 10:06 am
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[quote author=Yareet link=topic=8008.msg151673#msg151673
date=1774446533]
But that proves my point. Because it's not balance or parity
that your looking for; it's dominance of a few leagues and for
the Prem to be part of that club.
Nobody wants one league sucking in all the oxygen ... apart from
those involved in that league.
[/quote]
Understand the threat you highlight, but thinking about Craigs'
eco-system, this surely means the northern hemisphere (and now
SA) and much less the southern hemisphere and Pacific islands.
World-wide balances represent challenges beyond the level of
club rugby.
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Re: Brian Moore
By: Yareet Date: March 25, 2026, 10:26 am
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[quote author=The Absolute Quintet
link=topic=8008.msg151680#msg151680 date=1774451191]
Understand the threat you highlight, but thinking about Craigs'
eco-system, this surely means the northern hemisphere (and now
SA) and much less the southern hemisphere and Pacific islands.
World-wide balances represent challenges beyond the level of
club rugby.
[/quote]
As it stands, I’d say it’s England, France and Japan. That’s
about it.
I can’t think of many English or French players who’ve gone to
SA, Italy, Wales or Scotland except when their club’s gone
bust*. I assume therefore that the money isn’t comparable in
those leagues.
Craig just doesn’t want to lose too much top talent to France.
*Although I believe Freddie Burns has been playing in Romania
and obviously a couple of Quins in went to Israel.
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