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       Re: England in danger of wasting a maverick talent in Marcus
       Smith
   DIR By: Yareet
       Date: October 31, 2025, 7:14 am
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       --- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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       > Yareet once earned a yellow card for using evidence to back up
       an argument.
       > Lets not see any more yellow cards.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Straight yellow for Sale; a warning for Quins. Once again, the
       anti-northern bias shows 😏
       #Post#: 144286--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England in danger of wasting a maverick talent in Marcus
       Smith
   DIR By: Rugbycat
       Date: October 31, 2025, 7:34 am
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       This statistical approach and presentation of facts rather than
       anecdotal opinion and letting people make up their own minds
       approach has no future.
       #Post#: 144290--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England in danger of wasting a maverick talent in Marcus
       Smith
   DIR By: poorfour
       Date: October 31, 2025, 8:26 am
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       --- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
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       > This statistical approach and presentation of facts rather
       than anecdotal opinion and letting people make up their own
       minds approach has no future.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Somebody had better tell Borthers, then...
       #Post#: 144293--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England in danger of wasting a maverick talent in Marcus
       Smith
   DIR By: A222Quin
       Date: October 31, 2025, 10:03 am
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       Indeed, that's one of the things that is freqently levelled at
       him... him being a stats man.
       #Post#: 144303--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England in danger of wasting a maverick talent in Marcus
       Smith
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: October 31, 2025, 1:38 pm
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       --- Quote from: FrostAndFire link ---
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       > England decided, quite openly, to borrow Saints' attacking
       structure wholesale (not a terrible decision as they didn't have
       an attack coach who could come up with his own system). As a
       result, Saints players (many of whom are definite quality) are
       strongly represented in the backs. This gives Fin Smith a big
       advantage, even though I don't believe he is 'better' than Ford
       or Marcus Smith. He plays with those players all the time, and
       plays the same moves with them.
       >
       > Which is why it's a bit strange that he's on the bench while
       Ford is starting alongside the Saints 9, 12 and 13.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Whilst I can see the theoretical logic here, there's an obvious
       flaw in the thinking. If Saints' attack was good enough to beat
       tier 1 international teams, you'd expect them to be leading the
       Prem by some margin. But if you play a strong Prem backline
       against e.g. the best that France has to offer, you may come
       unstuck.
       #Post#: 144304--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England in danger of wasting a maverick talent in Marcus
       Smith
   DIR By: Yareet
       Date: October 31, 2025, 1:53 pm
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       --- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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       > Whilst I can see the theoretical logic here, there's an
       obvious flaw in the thinking. If Saints' attack was good enough
       to beat tier 1 international teams, you'd expect them to be
       leading the Prem by some margin. But if you play a strong Prem
       backline against e.g. the best that France has to offer, you may
       come unstuck.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Not if their defence is Nat 1 level
       #Post#: 144306--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England in danger of wasting a maverick talent in Marcus
       Smith
   DIR By: FrostAndFire
       Date: October 31, 2025, 2:23 pm
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       --- Quote from: Quinky link ---
       >
       > Whilst I can see the theoretical logic here, there's an
       obvious flaw in the thinking. If Saints' attack was good enough
       to beat tier 1 international teams, you'd expect them to be
       leading the Prem by some margin. But if you play a strong Prem
       backline against e.g. the best that France has to offer, you may
       come unstuck.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       To be fair, they are leading the Prem and are unbeaten so far
       this season.
       #Post#: 144309--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England in danger of wasting a maverick talent in Marcus
       Smith
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: October 31, 2025, 3:29 pm
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       --- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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       > Not if their defence is Nat 1 level
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Apologies, I meant to say their backline.
       #Post#: 144310--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England in danger of wasting a maverick talent in Marcus
       Smith
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: October 31, 2025, 3:31 pm
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       --- Quote from: FrostAndFire link ---
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       > To be fair, they are leading the Prem and are unbeaten so far
       this season.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       But drawn one. Unbeaten, but not all-conquering 😉
       #Post#: 144312--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England in danger of wasting a maverick talent in Marcus
       Smith
   DIR By: FrostAndFire
       Date: October 31, 2025, 4:19 pm
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       --- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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       > But drawn one. Unbeaten, but not all-conquering 😉
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Very few teams are.
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