URI:
   DIR Return Create A Forum - Home
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       ComeAllWithin (Harlequins Rugby)
  HTML https://comeallwithin.createaforum.com
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       *****************************************************
   DIR Return to: ComeAllWithin Board
       *****************************************************
       #Post#: 143885--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tom Willis off to France again
   DIR By: Brown Bottle
       Date: October 21, 2025, 3:57 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: dr_miles link ---
       >
       > Even as a joke, this is one of the stupidest posts that I have
       ever seen on here and you should be embarrassed.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Indeed! I mean, who hasn't got a dishwasher these days?
       #Post#: 143886--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tom Willis off to France again
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: October 21, 2025, 3:58 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: dr_miles link ---
       >
       > Even as a joke, this is one of the stupidest posts that I have
       ever seen on here and you should be embarrassed.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yes - clearly it was a joke.
       My wife used to play womens rugby in her younger days and I used
       to use this joke then (and I used to often get a slap around the
       back of my head every time).
       No - I'm not embarrassed. I am thick skinned and it takes a lot
       to make me embarrassed.
       I will be there on Friday night supporting our team again as I
       do for all the women's home games (and as I do for all of the
       Richmond women's home games as well.)
       #Post#: 143887--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tom Willis off to France again
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: October 21, 2025, 4:02 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       I think at least its good we know now, then at the end of the
       season where we would have wasted playing him for the AIs and
       6n.
       I'll go for a team looking at current squad of
       1. Genge
       2. George
       3. Stuart
       4. Itoje
       5. Chessum
       6. CCS
       7. Underhill
       8. Illione
       9. Mitchell
       10. Ford
       11. Roebuck
       12. Ojomah
       13. Lawrence
       14. IFW
       15. Steward (I'd prefer Carpenter if he was in the squad but
       Marcus is wasted here and no other option unless its a winger
       deployed there like Arundell or Freeman)
       16. Baxter
       17. LCD
       18. Heyes
       19. Coles
       20. Pollock
       21. Spencer
       22. M Smith
       23. Freeman
       #Post#: 143889--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tom Willis off to France again
   DIR By: Yareet
       Date: October 21, 2025, 4:22 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: MaidstoneQuin link ---
       >
       > I think at least its good we know now, then at the end of the
       season where we would have wasted playing him for the AIs and
       6n.
       >
       > I'll go for a team looking at current squad of
       >
       > 1. Genge
       > 2. George
       > 3. Stuart
       > 4. Itoje
       > 5. Chessum
       > 6. CCS
       > 7. Underhill
       > 8. Illione
       > 9. Mitchell
       > 10. Ford
       > 11. Roebuck
       > 12. Ojomah
       > 13. Lawrence
       > 14. IFW
       > 15. Steward (I'd prefer Carpenter if he was in the squad but
       Marcus is wasted here and no other option unless its a winger
       deployed there like Arundell or Freeman)
       >
       > 16. Baxter
       > 17. LCD
       > 18. Heyes
       > 19. Coles
       > 20. Pollock
       > 21. Spencer
       > 22. M Smith
       > 23. Freeman
       >
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Carps has had an op unfortunately.
       Don't want to assume anything so have you deliberately left Earl
       out or forgotten him?
       #Post#: 143890--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tom Willis off to France again
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: October 21, 2025, 4:27 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: Yareet link ---
       >
       > Carps has had an op unfortunately.
       >
       > Don't want to assume anything so have you deliberately left
       Earl out or forgotten him?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I personally want to test our strength in depth a bit more which
       is why I want to give Illione and Pollock a chance to shine, and
       also give CCS a chance to play 8. I imagine Earl will be the
       test 8 though with probably Underhill at 7 and possibly Chessum
       at 6 with CCS possibly at 5. I wouldn't be upset if he was 7
       though over Underhill, but I think Sam is playing fairly well
       #Post#: 143896--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tom Willis off to France again
   DIR By: Rugbycat
       Date: October 21, 2025, 6:55 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: never sleep link ---
       >
       > Yes - clearly it was a joke.
       > My wife used to play womens rugby in her younger days and I
       used to use this joke then (and I used to often get a slap
       around the back of my head every time).
       > No - I'm not embarrassed. I am thick skinned and it takes a
       lot to make me embarrassed.
       > I will be there on Friday night supporting our team again as I
       do for all the women's home games (and as I do for all of the
       Richmond women's home games as well.)
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Friday night will be interesting as Emily Scarratt has just
       announced her retirement from playing, will be coaching at
       Loughborough Lightning and working for the RFU, a brilliant
       centre who found gaps to ghost through, in the same way as Will
       Greenwood did.
       #Post#: 143897--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tom Willis off to France again
   DIR By: poorfour
       Date: October 21, 2025, 6:56 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
       >
       > I haven't argued the women's game needs to make a profit - my
       argument is that it needs to generate far more money than it
       does. It's all the people bleating on about how women's rugby is
       the most amazing investment opportunity since Amazon that talk
       about all the profit it will make.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       It’s interesting that you draw a comparison with Amazon. Before
       you did, did you bother to check how long it took Amazon to
       become profitable?
       England first offered professional 15-a-side contracts to the
       Red Roses in 2019. In 2025, every game they played hit at least
       breakeven, and the plan is to make £60m in revenue over the next
       5 years. Last year’s PWR Final was also profitable (for the
       first time), which is a good sign for the PWR as a whole.
       It took Amazon 14 years to turn a profit, by the way, but in
       that time they had no shortage of investors, because people
       bought into the potential rather than the immediate
       profitability.
       I don’t believe that anyone - even me - is claiming that the
       women’s game will be an immediate source of massive profits. But
       it has a more sensible cost model than the men’s game, a
       credible path to breakeven and is a relatively cheap way for
       rugby to grow revenues and attract new fans because it sells
       incrementally more tickets, more merch and F&B, and more TV
       views while leveraging the existing infrastructure.
       The alternative is to raise prices for the men’s game, or build
       bigger stadia (and probably raise prices to help pay for the
       capital outlay), because you can’t squeeze more games into the
       year or more fans into existing stadia.
       --- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
       >
       >
       > International men's rugby is (very) profitable in the UK. Club
       rugby isn't, but as you say has enough wealthy owners who want
       to back it. The women's game just leeches further off the back
       of this. This is why the door is still open for R360 on the
       women's side of things, because clubs and unions don't mind the
       idea of someone else paying for the women.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       So, it’s okay for the RFU to subsidise an unprofitable club game
       and rich backers to pick up the residual debt for 30 years with
       no path to profitability in sight, but not for them to do that
       for a women’s game that does have a credible route to
       profitability and clear signs that it is achievable?
       You do see how this could be seen as just a teensy bit sexist?
       --- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
       >
       > But if you look at international rugby in isolation... Men's =
       hugely profitable
       > Women's = money pit
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Factually incorrect, for the RFU at any rate.
       Yes, other teams have not invested as much, or benefited as
       much, as the RFU have - but the Red Roses are demonstrating that
       there is a return on investment in both trophies and hard cash.
       #Post#: 143899--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tom Willis off to France again
   DIR By: Rugbycat
       Date: October 21, 2025, 7:05 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       Amazon lost about 3 billion dollars before making a profit,
       Amazon have  reinvested much of the profits they have made to
       grow the company.
  HTML https://www.marketwatch.com/story/inside-svbs-bankruptcy-startup-company-losses-have-threatened-the-financial-system-for-years-773240f6
       Starting a business is a little bit more complicated and
       requires a huge investment and a great deal of faith.
       But I believe that rugby is about a lot more than money.
       #Post#: 143900--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tom Willis off to France again
   DIR By: Yareet
       Date: October 21, 2025, 7:11 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
       >
       > This is why the door is still open for R360 on the women's
       side of things, because clubs and unions don't mind the idea of
       someone else paying for the women.
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Sorry, I missed this until P4's reply but I'd argue that the
       facts don't back this up at all. From the statement from the
       Unions:
       --- Quote ---
       > “Each of the national unions will therefore be advising men’s
       and women’s players that participation in R360 would make them
       ineligible for international selection.”
       --- End Quote ---
       I'd argue that's hardly the behaviour of a group happy to let
       somebody else pick up the bill for women's rugby.
       #Post#: 143903--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tom Willis off to France again
   DIR By: JammyGit
       Date: October 21, 2025, 7:18 am
       ---------------------------------------------------------
       --- Quote from: Yareet link ---
       >
       > Poor Guy. Forever mistaken for Zach
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Woops. In my defence I was walking to the office and having a
       conversation at the same time
       *****************************************************
       Page 7 of 9
   DIR Previous Page
   DIR Next Page