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       Re: Team V Sarries 
   DIR By: Quinten Poulsen
       Date: October 13, 2025, 2:57 pm
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       I expect he always get asked that before every derby game.
       #Post#: 143407--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Team V Sarries 
   DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
       Date: October 14, 2025, 2:26 am
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       A non Quins fan asked me why there is such apparent enmity
       between the 2 clubs. I nearly launched into a diatribe but
       restrained myself. Which made me think of how irksome the TNT
       production has become with the influence of the American
       "Discovery" mob. And if I have to sign in to Discovery yet again
       this week I shall most likely spit the dummy.
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       Re: Team V Sarries 
   DIR By: A222Quin
       Date: October 14, 2025, 3:10 am
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       --- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
       >
       > A non Quins fan asked me why there is such apparent enmity
       between the 2 clubs. I nearly launched into a diatribe but
       restrained myself. Which made me think of how irksome the TNT
       production has become with the influence of the American
       "Discovery" mob. And if I have to sign in to Discovery yet again
       this week I shall most likely spit the dummy.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       How aware were they of things such as the salary cap saga, the
       fat lady singing, the paying random groups of people to go to
       Leicester away for them in a play off semi a few years ago?
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       Re: Team V Sarries 
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: October 14, 2025, 3:53 am
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       --- Quote from: A222Quin link ---
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       > the paying random groups of people to go to Leicester away for
       them in a play off semi a few years ago
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I must have missed this story?
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       Re: Team V Sarries 
   DIR By: A222Quin
       Date: October 14, 2025, 4:04 am
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       --- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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       > I must have missed this story?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       It was in the dim and distant - shortly after b***dgate sort of
       time, there was a lot of chat about Sarries officials going
       around places where lots of South Africans hung out in London
       and providing them with a ticket and transport to go and make a
       lot of noise up at a Leicester away match.
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       Re: Team V Sarries 
   DIR By: FrostAndFire
       Date: October 14, 2025, 5:51 am
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       --- Quote from: A222Quin link ---
       >
       > How aware were they of things such as the salary cap saga, the
       fat lady singing, the paying random groups of people to go to
       Leicester away for them in a play off semi a few years ago?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yeah, but after bloodgate, it's hard for us to attack others.
       And, yeah, it's a long time ago.
       For me, disliking Saracens is more about rivalry with a nearby
       team, particularly one that's more successful and comes across
       as arrogant. I don't actually hate Sarries or their supporters,
       but I do like a win against them more than against most other
       teams.
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       Re: Team V Sarries 
   DIR By: Yareet
       Date: October 14, 2025, 6:23 am
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       --- Quote from: FrostAndFire link ---
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       > Yeah, but after bloodgate, it's hard for us to attack others.
       And, yeah, it's a long time ago.
       >
       > For me, disliking Saracens is more about rivalry with a nearby
       team, particularly one that's more successful and comes across
       as arrogant. I don't actually hate Sarries or their supporters,
       but I do like a win against them more than against most other
       teams.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       This is the interesting bit for me. My understanding (somewhat
       backed up by Pitbull's article) is that the rivalry was always
       with Wasps (given the shared history) and Richmond as
       neighbours. There was a stint when it was Irish around the pitch
       share.
       Wasps left London in 2014 which happened to coincide with
       Sarries league dominance/European success - and the rumours of
       how those were achieved. It was a perfect storm of no other
       London Prem clubs and Sarries becoming the pantomime villain.
       #Post#: 143423--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Team V Sarries 
   DIR By: JammyGit
       Date: October 14, 2025, 6:29 am
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       --- Quote from: FrostAndFire link ---
       >
       > Yeah, but after bloodgate, it's hard for us to attack others.
       And, yeah, it's a long time ago.
       >
       > For me, disliking Saracens is more about rivalry with a nearby
       team, particularly one that's more successful and comes across
       as arrogant. I don't actually hate Sarries or their supporters,
       but I do like a win against them more than against most other
       teams.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       We admitted everything (eventually!) with Bloodgate and suffered
       serious punishment. It didn't materially affect any other clubs.
       Saracens warped English rugby for several years, won fraudulent
       titles, stole players from other clubs, continued to reap the
       benefits of the sustained cheating long after it was "over", and
       never fully admitted their wrongdoing.
       We were involved in exposing some of it and so there is genuine
       bad blood between the sides.
       #Post#: 143458--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Team V Sarries 
   DIR By: FrostAndFire
       Date: October 14, 2025, 1:26 pm
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       One last thing I'm going to give Sarries credit for before I
       stop thinking about the match: afterwards, the Sarries coaches
       (in the bits I saw at least) were saying it wasn't good enough,
       they had been poor, etc. None of the "we played well, we're
       taking learnings" nonsense that we've been dished up for ages
       from Quins, and Wilson in particular.
       #Post#: 143459--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Team V Sarries 
   DIR By: Mayor West
       Date: October 14, 2025, 1:29 pm
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       Owen Farrell isn’t a Northerner as he grew up in StAlbans which
       IS north of Watford but not far enough up the country to be
       classed as being “In the North”. Chris’s Ashton takes the Micky
       out of him as he sounds more “Wigan” than he does. He could
       however play for The North through his parent’s qualifying as
       Northerners especially his Father who played rugby league to a
       very high standard. There is no bigger qualification than that.
       I don’t dislike Faz , only on a rivalry with Salarycens
       basis. Has he become disliked due to him being constantly picked
       for England and doing nothing in particular to justify his
       selection according to the fans. It is frustrating watching him
       kick away overlaps but if that’s what he was told to do you
       don’t want to upset Lanny or Eddy. I think he’s one of those
       players that you don’t want to play against but you would
       welcome into your own side. Unlike Ashey.
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