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#Post#: 143207--------------------------------------------------
Re: R360
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: October 8, 2025, 8:59 am
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--- Quote from: Rugbycat link ---
>
> The money is most likely from the Saudi public investment fund
and they back LIV golf that is losing $1.4 billion a year and is
part of the vision 2030 plan for Saudi Arabia.
> Oil is running out and anyway is being replaced by renewable
energy, so sport is part of the plan to maintain their wealth.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm very familiar with how the Saudis operate and they don't
usually bother with something as asinine as this. Has it even
been confirmed they're involved? Usually they are front and
centre, with a very clear picture on how exactly they're going
to take things over and no-one is left in any doubt that they're
in charge. This doesn't seem to be the same at all; there's a
lot of speculation about "private investment from Saudi, US, and
UK" but that's it.
There's essentially no money in this R360 approach, so it
doesn't make business sense, and it's a sport that barely gets
any viewers, so it doesn't make sponsor or sportswashing sense
either.
Is it just a vehicle for some private venture types to pretend
they're serious in order to get leverage for future deals that
might actually pan out?
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Re: R360
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: October 8, 2025, 9:57 am
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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> Slight tweak to this but I can't yet see many players chosing
cash over caps in England. I think the RFU will still manage to
find a way to supplement the Test players' incomes enough to
keep them interested. Even if that means slashing support for
the Champ/community game even further.
>
> The people I can see opting for the pay day are those on the
fringes of the Test squad. If they can't see a way to get caps
but can see a big contract, they will start to head for the cash
more.
>
> But they're not the people that R360 need to make the league
appealing.
>
> tl;dr: R360 want the Marcuses and Currys of this world but IMO
the people most likely to be interested are the Beards and
Raffis.
>
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I appreciate that "...not too far..." is a relative term in this
sense, may be 10 years but I can see it happening
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Re: R360
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: October 9, 2025, 2:18 am
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Rugby overload in my view. I took out a Premier Sport Sub and
used it once. I might go for a long weekend jamboree of rugby in
a City but an extended tournament over several weeks and
locations is just not floating my boat.
#Post#: 143218--------------------------------------------------
Re: R360
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: October 9, 2025, 3:14 am
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For sure, Deadly. I've always worried franchising would happen
and I still feel it will, whether we as fans want it or not.
These things can sometimes be disruptors to stimulate change.
When wendyball tried to implement that breakaway money bags
league and everyone said no and the fans pulled out. What
happened? FIFA implemented it's club world cup which targeted
the same teams and still got them all playing in a tournament
for mega bucks in a location not convenient for fans but nicely
timed for summer holidays in Europe.
The Hundred in Cricket was a response to concerns that the
county game had been losing money for years and players were
looking more to franchise leagues rather than staying with
England. So helped fix one problem but did nothing to improve
the other. Why? Money is more important.
France already feels like a franchised league, the URC might as
well be one and with at least 5 teams now with megabucks owners
in the Prem, it won't be long before they start agitating for
more opportunity for financial growth and unlimited salary caps
for players. The Champions Cup can them be reformatted into a
franchise Champions League type thing, International windows
outside of that etc etc.....
The ultimate aim of R360 might not be to implement their own
thing but trigger all of these other things where they can be
involved so who knows and seeing squads like Bath, Toulouse,
Bordeaux with more superstars and others facing off, it's hard
to argue it doesn't grow the game.
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Re: R360
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: October 9, 2025, 5:04 am
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Arguments based on things you make up aren't very strong. For a
start, the FIFA Club World Cup predated the ESL by 20 years and
the full world cup style format predated the ESL by 4 years. The
two could have comfortably co-existed.
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Re: R360
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: October 9, 2025, 5:06 am
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Tindall opens up on R360...
HTML https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/8286f45b8a0dea20
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Re: R360
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: October 9, 2025, 5:28 am
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--- Quote from: Brown Bottle link ---
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> Arguments based on things you make up aren't very strong. For
a start, the FIFA Club World Cup predated the ESL by 20 years
and the full world cup style format predated the ESL by 4 years.
The two could have comfortably co-existed.
>
--- End Quote ---
Thanks for re-educating me, I'll consider things more wisely
next time. You are, as always, a teacher to us all 😁
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Re: R360
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: October 9, 2025, 8:59 am
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--- Quote from: deadlyfrom5yardsout link ---
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> Tindall opens up on R360...
>
>
>
HTML https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/8286f45b8a0dea20
>
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Genuinely funny. He's clueless and arrogant with it, a wonderful
combination.
Also this comment under the article was worth a laugh on its
own:
"I played amateur rugby in the 80 and 90s. Saracens fielded 15
teams every week. Barnet, next door 6, Finchley 6, Hendon 6.
Over 500 players turning out every Saturday. That is more than
the prem's 10 teams. Today most clubs are lucky to field 2 teams
a week. Professional rugby has not served the rugby playing
community at all. It needs new ideas, because the old ones have
driven a popular game available to anyone with a pair of boots
into the ground. Go for it Mike any new idea is better than the
status quo."
Just hilariously daft. If your concern is the rugby playing
community, then R360 is one of the worst developments you could
think of. Pro rugby at least has a link to local communities.
#Post#: 143229--------------------------------------------------
Re: R360
DIR By: Brown Bottle
Date: October 9, 2025, 9:03 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
>
> Thanks for re-educating me, I'll consider things more wisely
next time. You are, as always, a teacher to us all 😁
>
--- End Quote ---
Also, The Hundred was intended to make money but was also
targeted at a new audience. It was nothing to do with English
players playing for franchises instead as they still can and do.
None of the major franchises are played in the Northern
Hemisphere and so there's no clash. The IPL is the only serious
contender and and players either don't play a full series or
England works round it.
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Re: R360
DIR By: A222Quin
Date: October 9, 2025, 9:09 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
>
> Genuinely funny. He's clueless and arrogant with it, a
wonderful combination.
>
> Also this comment under the article was worth a laugh on its
own:
>
> "I played amateur rugby in the 80 and 90s. Saracens fielded 15
teams every week. Barnet, next door 6, Finchley 6, Hendon 6.
Over 500 players turning out every Saturday. That is more than
the prem's 10 teams. Today most clubs are lucky to field 2 teams
a week. Professional rugby has not served the rugby playing
community at all. It needs new ideas, because the old ones have
driven a popular game available to anyone with a pair of boots
into the ground. Go for it Mike any new idea is better than the
status quo."
>
> Just hilariously daft. If your concern is the rugby playing
community, then R360 is one of the worst developments you could
think of. Pro rugby at least has a link to local communities.
>
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Yeah, but it's a link back to amateurism JG. Which is when
absolutely everything was rosy all the time! Rugby Values, 20
pints down the clubhouse, work sports teams etc etc... Even if
some of the stuff that went on back then was questionable. But
never mind.... I'd hazard a guess that the commenter was
probably 18-30 in that period! Everything will be just fine if
we create a new 'elite' competition that tries to smash existing
clubs and international competitions because the existing setup
means that 33x15 teams from yesteryear are not doing so any
more. Never mind the rest of the world changing in that time...
Everyone seems to need to have a 'big' idea now. Rugby has some
very good points and some very bad points. Some of what some
think makes it great, others think holds it back. Ultimately,
rugby has had coming up to 30 years as a professional sport, and
on the whole it has been run in an amateur fashion. It's a real
muddle to fix but, sure as heck, harking back to the 80s and
R360 are neither of the answers to longer term survival.
For Tins, R360 has the upside of a lads on tour thing so that
Hask, Payno and Tins can go on a lads tour around the world
doing the podcast. Hask can DJ, Tins can network etc.
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