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Re: OT Diamond sacked
DIR By: A222Quin
Date: October 2, 2025, 2:36 am
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> If we get Diamond we may as well cut our losses with Marcus,
CCS and any other player with a high ceiling. He's a nice bloke
but is the Sean Dyche of the rugby world.
>
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I'm in full agreement with you there for once. We definitely
need more 'steel' but I don't think Dimes is the way to go.
In our situation I think we'd still be mid table but with a new
group of annoyed people each season. He's marmite.
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Re: OT Diamond sacked
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: October 2, 2025, 2:55 am
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--- Quote from: Archquin link ---
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> He told Red Bull he wanted the Quins job and so they sacked
him [emoji23]
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Or they just looked at his record of stunning success in his
other clubs and sparkling personality and sacked him.
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Re: OT Diamond sacked
DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
Date: October 2, 2025, 2:57 am
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--- Quote from: A222Quin link ---
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> I'm in full agreement with you there for once. We definitely
need more 'steel' but I don't think Dimes is the way to go.
>
> In our situation I think we'd still be mid table but with a
new group of annoyed people each season. He's marmite.
>
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I'll take that. Method in some of the madness.
Slightly controversial, what if we landed Ronan O'Gara? I could
see him going to Newcastle though for the bucks and project
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Re: OT Diamond sacked
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: October 2, 2025, 3:08 am
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--- Quote from: Bod link ---
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> I'd offer a theory
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> Diamond would be a great acquisition
>
> The prerequisite is not being pleasant
> It's being historically successful, especially on limited
budgets, and having someone alongside who you know would be a
great asset if you were trench fighting is again worthy of
evaluation
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> I think you Quins have had it too cosy and too happy clappy
for too long.
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> If you want to be winning stuff you need someone who can
formulate and hone a sharper edge. It'd be fun to see you Quins
acquire a bit of lead in your pencils.
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> Also, don't forget the work Diamond put in regarding the Sale
pathway/academy programmes
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But he has never actually won anything, and he seemed to be
allergic to finishing in the top four at Sale.
Newcastle have sacked him because of that and perhaps that some
players may not be keen to go to a club with him there has
prompted it to be so early, to not interfere with nexts seasons
recruitment.
#Post#: 142841--------------------------------------------------
Re: OT Diamond sacked
DIR By: Archquin
Date: October 2, 2025, 3:36 am
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--- Quote from: MaidstoneQuin link ---
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> If we get Diamond we may as well cut our losses with Marcus,
CCS and any other player with a high ceiling. He's a nice bloke
but is the Sean Dyche of the rugby world.
>
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we already have Sean Dyche at Quins aka James Chisholm [emoji12]
#Post#: 142842--------------------------------------------------
Re: OT Diamond sacked
DIR By: Iamsnakes
Date: October 2, 2025, 4:05 am
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If we need a shake up and a hard edge there are other options.
I too could probably put up with O'Gara (also not a great
personality but a winner nevertheless).
Cant see him putting up with Quins though.
#Post#: 142844--------------------------------------------------
Re: OT Diamond sacked
DIR By: Yareet
Date: October 2, 2025, 4:40 am
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I fully appreciate that I will have a different view of Dimes
than most on here but I think there are some misrepresentations.
Dimes didn't oversee a Sale team that was "allergic to finishing
in the top four". He led a Sale team that was allegedly paying
way under the cap and therefore struggled in the seasons when we
were playing in the Heineken Cup. Typically we would finish 5th
or 6th, scrape into the Heineken and then struggle the next
season and finish around 10th. We'd then be in the lower
European Cup so could concentrate on the league and finish
mid-table. What he managed to achieve in that time was that we
were never relegated.
Once the current owners came in (supposedly a relationships that
Dimes was influential in creating), we were more consistent and
did win something. It was only the Prem Cup but it was
silverware.
Dimes then left (officially because of family reasons - I think
his mum died and his sister was ill) and promptly won the Prem
Cup again with Worcester. Again, hardly the pinnacle of anyone's
ambitions but given the squad they had, a decent return.
The messages I have seen from Worcester fans seem to be largely
in favour of Dimes and what he did. Similarly Newcastle fans
seem to thing he's been treated pretty badly.
Dimes is great with a team that needs some steel and to become
hard to beat so I'd agree he builds gritty teams in his image.
However, it's a bit much to say that they "show some fight while
getting thrashed every week". We were often mid-table finishers
and had some great wins - this one sticks in the memory
HTML https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/46729244.
I'm also wondering why his appointment would mean the loss of
anyone with a high ceiling. He did OK with Faf and the Currys
among others. As has also been mentioned, he seems to be great
at building a strong academy.
Not for one second do I think he's right for Quins. Arguably,
the changing room at Quins has become a little too cosy but I
think Dimes would be too much of a swing the other way.
#Post#: 142845--------------------------------------------------
Re: OT Diamond sacked
DIR By: Quinky
Date: October 2, 2025, 5:10 am
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What's he won? Well, he went to Newcastle and they won a few
games. For perspective, Newcastle were a team that seemingly
couldn't even win a coin toss.
He doesn't need to be a nice guy. We've had a few of those and
where did that get us?
To juxtapose what Napoleon (might have) said: don't get me a
nice coach, get me a coach that wins games.
#Post#: 142846--------------------------------------------------
Re: OT Diamond sacked
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: October 2, 2025, 5:17 am
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Head Honchos who have had to scrape and save to run a team do
sometimes struggle when the financial taps are turned on. Its a
psychological thing I guess?
#Post#: 142847--------------------------------------------------
Re: OT Diamond sacked
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: October 2, 2025, 5:18 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> What's he won? Well, he went to Newcastle and they won a few
games. For perspective, Newcastle were a team that seemingly
couldn't even win a coin toss.
> He doesn't need to be a nice guy. We've had a few of those and
where did that get us?
> To juxtapose what Napoleon (might have) said: don't get me a
nice coach, get me a coach that wins games.
>
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