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Re: Team v Benetton
DIR By: FrostAndFire
Date: September 7, 2025, 8:23 am
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--- Quote from: never sleep link ---
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> I thought our back 3 looked pretty good in the first half.
> I think that Nick David is sometimes quite underrated. When
Cas and Green went off, we seemed to lost a lot of pace in the
backs.
>
--- End Quote ---
Nick David had a slightly shaky first season with Quins and I
was very unsure of him, but since then, he's been excellent.
These two warm-ups he's been the best back, IMO.
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Re: Team v Benetton
DIR By: Quinky
Date: September 7, 2025, 9:53 am
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Lots of overreaction on here IMO. It's a pre season friendly.
People gripe when the management say that we'll take some
learning from a defeat in the season. Surely it's better to get
things wrong now, so long as they really do learn from it.
I think Green and David looked good. Schmidt played well too,
and Bradley was pretty useful. Oddly, I'm concerned about
Cleaves. Just a feeling but I wonder about his work rate. I hope
he becomes more Murley than Ibitoye, if that makes sense.
And remember... Our matchday squad is unlikely to resemble what
we saw yesterday.
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Re: Team v Benetton
DIR By: Archquin
Date: September 7, 2025, 2:12 pm
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Pre season friendly or not, the second half was pretty dire from
Quins point of view - I would have hoped for better cohesion and
the very few opportunities we had, were expertly messed up
😐
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Re: Team v Benetton
DIR By: Mayor West
Date: September 7, 2025, 2:13 pm
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I think you could see the naivety of the younger players when in
good attacking positions. They often took the wrong option and
ran into trouble. With Green, David and Porter in the first half
we were much more direct and slick in our attack. You can put a
good youngster into your first team and they look better because
of those around them . Several new players in team and it really
shows. But they need the experience and there’s no better way
than when the outcome of the game isn’t crucial.
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Re: Team v Benetton
DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
Date: September 8, 2025, 4:31 am
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Cleaves has lost a lot of pace, which was the thing that made
him dangerous to begin with. With Murley for England likely he
will be needed
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Re: Team v Benetton
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: September 8, 2025, 4:56 am
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--- Quote from: MaidstoneQuin link ---
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> Cleaves has lost a lot of pace, which was the thing that made
him dangerous to begin with. With Murley for England likely he
will be needed
>
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Hope it is just a return from injury temporary conditioning
problem, rather than a permanent loss of pace, as if it is
permanent, his game was virtually entirely based on pace.
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Re: Team v Benetton
DIR By: Archquin
Date: September 8, 2025, 8:35 am
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Maybe he has bulked up and lost some speed - or could be self
concious of the hamstring issues [emoji15]
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Re: Team v Benetton
DIR By: never sleep
Date: September 8, 2025, 9:24 am
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He certainly looked a bit bulkier.
But - that would be expected after such a long layoff.
It will take a few games for him to get back into full swing.
But, I would say that he looked fairly good in the first half.
We missed having him and Green in the second.
Pleased to have him back.
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Re: Team v Benetton
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: September 9, 2025, 8:27 am
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Not gonna lie, I don't get the cult of Nick David. He's fast but
never seems either a) make the most of that pace in attack or b)
always running back in treacle once he's been beaten. A quick
look at the stats for last season show that he is the lesser
partner of the normal back 3 candidates:-
ND 23 Appearances - 826 Metres made - 1 Try - 2 Try assists -
369 Post contact metres
TG 18 Appearances - 1088 Metres made - 4 Trys - 5 Try assists -
344 Post contact metres
RI 13 Appearances - 615 Metres made - 6 Trys - 1 Try assists -
223 Post contact metres
CM 16 Appearances - 1312 Metres made - 15 Trys - 2 Try assists -
437 Post contact metres
Now, this all depends on what stats matter to you as individuals
but 3 try involvements across a season for a first change
outside back is very low (stats cobbled together between offy
and Rugby Pass)
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Re: Team v Benetton
DIR By: mrpj1985
Date: September 9, 2025, 8:37 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
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> Not gonna lie, I don't get the cult of Nick David. He's fast
but never seems either a) make the most of that pace in attack
or b) always running back in treacle once he's been beaten. A
quick look at the stats for last season show that he is the
lesser partner of the normal back 3 candidates:-
>
> ND 23 Appearances - 826 Metres made - 1 Try - 2 Try assists -
369 Post contact metres
> TG 18 Appearances - 1088 Metres made - 4 Trys - 5 Try assists
- 344 Post contact metres
> RI 13 Appearances - 615 Metres made - 6 Trys - 1 Try assists -
223 Post contact metres
> CM 16 Appearances - 1312 Metres made - 15 Trys - 2 Try assists
- 437 Post contact metres
>
> Now, this all depends on what stats matter to you as
individuals but 3 try involvements across a season for a first
change outside back is very low (stats cobbled together between
offy and Rugby Pass)
>
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Thanks for this @Banstead.
Taking your initial stats, it's even more stark on a per game
basis and really reveals just how good Murley is compared to the
others
(apologies for the formatting)
[table]
[tr][td]Player[/td][td]Appearances[/td][td]Metres
Made[/td][td]Tries[/td][td]Try Assists[/td][td]Post-Contact
Metres[/td][td]Metres per Game[/td][td]Tries per
Game[/td][td]Try Assists per Game[/td][td]Post-Contact Metres
per Game[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ND[/td][td]23[/td][td]826[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]369[/td][td]35.91[/td][td]0.04[/td][td]0.09[/td][td]16.04[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TG[/td][td]18[/td][td]1088[/td][td]4[/td][td]5[/td][td]344[/td][td]60.44[/td][td]0.22[/td][td]0.28[/td][td]19.11[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RI[/td][td]13[/td][td]615[/td][td]6[/td][td]1[/td][td]223[/td][td]47.31[/td][td]0.46[/td][td]0.08[/td][td]17.15[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CM[/td][td]16[/td][td]1312[/td][td]15[/td][td]2[/td][td]437[/td][td]82.00[/td][td]0.94[/td][td]0.13[/td][td]27.31[/td][/tr]
[/table]
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