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Re: O/T Has Borethick been visitited by 3 Ghosts???
DIR By: Yareet
Date: August 26, 2025, 9:01 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
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> The report did say that he had international head coach
ambitions but we've already seen how dangerous that can be, Andy
Robinson, anyone?
>
> Maybe he can start out in Papua New Guinea and we can give him
a call when we need him???
>
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No thank you 🙅‍♂️
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Re: O/T Has Borethick been visitited by 3 Ghosts???
DIR By: poorfour
Date: August 26, 2025, 10:37 am
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Strictly speaking, Andy Robinson was an excellent International
Head Coach - an RWC winning one, in fact. The issue was that he
wasn't a good International Manager - I think mostly because he
was at his best on the pitch
When Woodward quit England, he had a call with Robinson where
the latter said he was going to throw his hat in the ring for
the top job, and Woodward reportedly told him "You don't want
that job, you want the job you've got." Very possibly the last
thing about rugby that Woodward got right...
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Re: O/T Has Borethick been visitited by 3 Ghosts???
DIR By: 22 Dropout
Date: August 28, 2025, 7:32 am
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This is a significant admission. Everyone knows that if you have
a strong curlture that everyone buys into, you will be more
successful. So by admitting that with Wigglesworth gone, the
culture was better, why would you
1. Keep him (it's not as though he has excelled in attack
although apparently that is what he is best at and the boy can
box kick...) and
2. How is Blackett going to change the culture when Wigglesworth
is wanting to do it his way (and that's before you also have
Owen trying to drive things in the direction that suits him)
In short. Sounds like a mess and and a few more years's of
underachievement.
It's depresing to think they are potentially grooming a coach
for the top job that can't foster a productive culture and for
whom the team performs better when they are not involved.
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Re: O/T Has Borethick been visitited by 3 Ghosts???
DIR By: Yareet
Date: August 28, 2025, 8:15 am
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--- Quote from: 22 Dropout link ---
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> This is a significant admission. Everyone knows that if you
have a strong curlture that everyone buys into, you will be more
successful. So by admitting that with Wigglesworth gone, the
culture was better, why would you
> 1. Keep him (it's not as though he has excelled in attack
although apparently that is what he is best at and the boy can
box kick...) and
> 2. How is Blackett going to change the culture when
Wigglesworth is wanting to do it his way (and that's before you
also have Owen trying to drive things in the direction that
suits him)
>
> In short. Sounds like a mess and and a few more years's of
underachievement.
>
> It's depresing to think they are potentially grooming a coach
for the top job that can't foster a productive culture and for
whom the team performs better when they are not involved.
>
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I fear you're reading far too much of what you want to see in
that article. I can't see any admission that the culture was
better without Wiggy - just that it was good. I'm pretty sure
the Lions also described their culture in positive terms - and
that England have also done so when Wiggy has been around.
For me, Borthwick is just saying that the squad did well to beat
Argentina 2-0 despite losing 13 players.
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Re: O/T Has Borethick been visitited by 3 Ghosts???
DIR By: FishQuin
Date: August 28, 2025, 2:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
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> It is understood that, as part of Wigglesworth’s ambitions to
become an international head coach in the future, the former
scrum-half and Premiership appearance record-holder is keen to
take the defensive reins in order to progress his coaching
growth. This is part of a pre-agreed development plan.
>
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I mean… maybe he should grow in ‘The PREM’ first, rather than
international rugby. Or better yet, a club operating in regional
competitions?
The level of incompetence in the RFU beggars belief.
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Re: O/T Has Borethick been visitited by 3 Ghosts???
DIR By: FishQuin
Date: August 28, 2025, 2:44 pm
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--- Quote from: Yareet link ---
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> I'm pretty sure the Lions also described their culture in
positive terms - and that England have also done so when Wiggy
has been around.
>
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Can’t recall a club ever stating their culture was bad whilst
having a coach in situ. So not convinced this tells us anything
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Re: O/T Has Borethick been visitited by 3 Ghosts???
DIR By: Yareet
Date: August 28, 2025, 5:49 pm
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--- Quote from: FishQuin link ---
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> Can’t recall a club ever stating their culture was bad whilst
having a coach in situ. So not convinced this tells us anything
>
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That’s my point
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