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Re: Farrells
DIR By: Jedzi
Date: July 5, 2025, 6:17 am
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I heard a theory that he's mainly been brought in to be a leader
of the mid-week side and put some bite into it.
As someone else noted, he's not played a game in 2 months or a
test in 2 years, so he's unlikely to make the test side, but he
gives options to rest others and keep the dirt trackers on their
toes.
I've heard Joe Marler talk about how, on his Lions tour, the
mid-week side pretty much became a separate team and partied for
most of the last two weeks.
Not sure I necessarily agree, but it's more viable than the idea
that he'll push Russell for the test spot.
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Re: Farrells
DIR By: Banstead Quin
Date: July 5, 2025, 8:06 am
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Well, his Dad just said that he won't start midweek so that
means he'll be a shoe in for the ANZAC game 😄
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Re: Farrells
DIR By: A222Quin
Date: July 5, 2025, 11:23 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
>
> Thoroughly enjoying the fact that Farrell's "performances" on
the last tour have seemingly been memory holed in favour of
calling him a legend and banging on about the stuff he does to
drive standards, like a lions touring party lacks that or that
his teams have never dropped theirs in his presence
>
> Ben Kay came out with the most confused one yet:
>
> Amazing stuff
>
--- End Quote ---
Full Farrell bullplop bingo that article.
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Re: Farrells
DIR By: Yareet
Date: July 5, 2025, 11:36 am
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--- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
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> Well, his Dad just said that he won't start midweek so that
means he'll be a shoe in for the ANZAC game 😄
>
--- End Quote ---
And the opinion I’ve heard (BBC pod, I think) is that the next
midweek team is more likely to be the test team.
The theory being that the Anzac game is essentially a BaaBaas
match so very hard to judge what you’ll face.
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Re: Farrells
DIR By: Blutakk
Date: July 7, 2025, 3:43 pm
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At risk of being v unpopular, I don't think Farrell's mistrust
of Marcus has any thing to do with his technical competence or
position, but rather whether he has the 'right stuff' to be a
Lion. He singled out how Hansen showed the way, but perceives
Marcus as the opposite.
Against Argentina, (and yes he was outnumbered), Marcus waved
through both their tries when he could have made a dominant hit
on both occasions. (This might partly be why he brought Owen
Farrell in, but I won't fight for that hill!). Here's a 4 minute
reminder:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULUiyAbfgMg
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Re: Farrells
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: July 7, 2025, 4:03 pm
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Both of those were two on ones, and the ball was gone before he
could hit anyone, did what you should stayed on his feet.
Farrell would never have got anywhere near them he has all the
pace of a geriatric slug, the first you may have got away with
hitting the player that had already passed, the second would
have likely been a yellow and even if they did not score a
penalty try.
But not really in the spirit of rugby to hit someone after the
ball has gone, and not what you would want someone coaching your
kids to do.
A dominant tackle is when someone has the ball and you stop them
on the gain line, not a cheap shot after the ball has gone.
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Re: Farrells
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: July 8, 2025, 2:43 am
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Eh, you should be making sure the passer hits the deck. Brown
was superb for it. Make them regret the draw and pass and leave
them under no illusions that a dummy would be a mistake.
I think Marcus has tackled well so far and he improved things
off the bench. What the defensive issues tell you are he's not a
natural 15.
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Re: Farrells
DIR By: Rugbycat
Date: July 8, 2025, 3:28 am
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> Eh, you should be making sure the passer hits the deck. Brown
was superb for it. Make them regret the draw and pass and leave
them under no illusions that a dummy would be a mistake.
>
> I think Marcus has tackled well so far and he improved things
off the bench. What the defensive issues tell you are he's not a
natural 15.
>
--- End Quote ---
Marcus was on his own with no one else in sight, to hit the
player when the ball was long gone and you are not committed to
the tackle is foul play, the Lions defence left Marcus high and
dry and both try’s were caused by poor defensive positioning of
other players.
If you had your winger with you can commit but on your own, you
need to stay up and hope to pressure them into a mistake.
Marcus does tackle much better now, but that match was a
defensive shamble's
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Re: Farrells
DIR By: Aha!
Date: July 8, 2025, 6:41 am
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The comments re whether Smith could/should/might have done
something technically differently against Argentina are
irrelevant, because they're all rational. Perceptions trump
rationality and Farrell perceives Smith as untrustworthy - why?
Remember, Farrell was a hard nut, surrounded by hard nuts esp'
in league (Edwards, Burrows, Sinfield) and he doesn't think
Smith belongs in that category - rationality has nothing to do
with it!
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Re: Farrells
DIR By: never sleep
Date: July 8, 2025, 7:10 am
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To be fair, we don't really know what Farrell is thinking.
We see lots of idiots on Social Media who love to slag Marcus
off for any minor infringement. The main sources of hate seems
to be that he wasn't born in England, has nice hair, does
hitch-kicks, and plays for Quins.
We see lots of media types also comment. But, media types are
primarily out there to sell more media. So, they sometimes pick
a viewpoint that purposefully gets media clicks and earns them
more money.
I am pretty sure that the coaches ignore a lot of this noise and
use statistics and video analysis, etc to make their choices. I
am certain that a video analyst would have looked at the 2
Argentina tries in copious detail (far more than we would be
able to do) and will know exactly where they went wrong.
And - they will have a lot of data to work with - especially,
stamina/fitness levels and work rates. They will know exactly
what Smith's tackling is like. They don't need ask Jeff on
Twitter . . .
Ultimately, for the tests, they will choose Marcus at 10 or 15,
starting or on the bench, or even not selected, based on the
game plan that they are choosing to implement and the other
players and player combinations that are available and the
actual statistics/abilities of those players.
It isn't a Facebook popularity contest - it is a rugby match.
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