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       #Post#: 139446--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Quins 2024/25 season summary
   DIR By: FrostAndFire
       Date: June 17, 2025, 5:54 am
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       --- Quote from: championes link ---
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       > I’m not saying it wasn’t a disappointing season but a reminder
       that our average, mean and median position in the league over
       any meaningful time since rugby went pro…
       >
       > (Eg the entire time, last decade, last five years)
       >
       > Is….. 7th.
       >
       > We’re basically 7th with a couple of quite fun blips.
       >
       > There are fewer teams now admittedly,
       >
       > Watching the play offs a reminder that we really don’t have
       any brutal players in any position anymore. Can’t see a single
       name an opposition would fear in terms of power.
       >
       > Yes we have speed, flair etc and can get over the ball in
       defence.
       >
       > But we are seriously lacking in pure grunt.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yep. And it's why I'm disapppointed that we don't seem to have
       recruited people with much grunt. Our backs are amazing, but
       without the heft to regularly win collisions, they're not able
       to show what they can do as regularly as they should.
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       Re: Quins 2024/25 season summary
   DIR By: poorfour
       Date: June 17, 2025, 5:54 am
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       And you miss my point. If people continue to buy the tickets
       then clearly they do not see it as "top business class prices
       for economy class product". They see it as an experience worth
       their hard earned cash, win or lose.
       Every year a bunch of you complain about ticket prices, every
       year the Stoop continues to sell out. Companies do take people
       who "voice displeasure" seriously, because it can be a lead
       indicator of future decline in sales, but they also know that
       there are some people who will always complain and whose views
       are an outlier rather an indicator.
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       Re: Quins 2024/25 season summary
   DIR By: Banstead Quin
       Date: June 17, 2025, 6:20 am
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       Interestingly, just seen on FOTS Twitter page that we had 3 of
       the 10 highest match attendances in Europe last season. Only
       lost out to Leinster v Munster for top spot. I know that skew's
       things as we played those games in bigger stadiums and boosts
       our average to 23.8k but even if it was Stoop only, we'd still
       be in the Top 20 Europe wide.
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       Re: Quins 2024/25 season summary
   DIR By: FrostAndFire
       Date: June 17, 2025, 7:28 am
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       --- Quote from: Banstead Quin link ---
       >
       > Interestingly, just seen on FOTS Twitter page that we had 3 of
       the 10 highest match attendances in Europe last season. Only
       lost out to Leinster v Munster for top spot. I know that skew's
       things as we played those games in bigger stadiums and boosts
       our average to 23.8k but even if it was Stoop only, we'd still
       be in the Top 20 Europe wide.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       It's undoubtedly a good thing that we can sell tickets well. But
       it's also true that poor performances do eventually turn off
       fans. We're not there yet, and hopefully we won't, but a run of
       miserable performances might start to eat into attendance. I
       think it would be a mistake to assume that couldn't happen to
       us.
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       Re: Quins 2024/25 season summary
   DIR By: A222Quin
       Date: June 17, 2025, 7:40 am
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       --- Quote from: FrostAndFire link ---
       >
       > It's undoubtedly a good thing that we can sell tickets well.
       But it's also true that poor performances do eventually turn off
       fans. We're not there yet, and hopefully we won't, but a run of
       miserable performances might start to eat into attendance. I
       think it would be a mistake to assume that couldn't happen to
       us.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You'd think so but I'm not totally sure that's been the case.
       We've been worse than this season a few times (Thinking JK's
       second season when the humping by soon to be relegated London
       Irish) and attendances haven't really suffered. Not to say it
       can't happen of course.
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       Re: Quins 2024/25 season summary
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: June 17, 2025, 8:28 am
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       --- Quote from: FrostAndFire link ---
       >
       > It's undoubtedly a good thing that we can sell tickets well.
       But it's also true that poor performances do eventually turn off
       fans. We're not there yet, and hopefully we won't, but a run of
       miserable performances might start to eat into attendance. I
       think it would be a mistake to assume that couldn't happen to
       us.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I'm not sure there is a clear link between performance and fan
       numbers.
       Otherwise, our neighbours, after winning loads of silverware,
       would surely have the biggest attendance.
       And as much as people bash the team and coaches, I wouldn't
       class us as terrible. Basically, we have been in the mid-table
       average group for many years.
       Or - to keep with the earlier airline analogy - we are neither
       first class nor economy class. We generally hover round the
       business class/premium economy category.
       #Post#: 139459--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Quins 2024/25 season summary
   DIR By: Brown Bottle
       Date: June 17, 2025, 9:23 am
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       Not sure about the airline analogy; the difference between
       business and premium economy is massive, as are the costs!
       [emoji846]
       #Post#: 139460--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Quins 2024/25 season summary
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: June 17, 2025, 9:23 am
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       I don’t really think numbers will decrease massively, as people
       will still attend and support the club as it’s not as straight
       forward as just not eating in a restaurant you don’t like
       because the food isn’t worth the price tag. I do think another
       few seasons of finishing 7th but paying top dollar for the
       privilege will create more uncomfortable conversations for
       people though. I personally don’t think the club care too much
       as the STs will always sell out, but it’s clear from this season
       from gentle comments and those neutral supporters there is
       growing concern the way the club is going (which will only get
       louder)
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       Re: Quins 2024/25 season summary
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: June 17, 2025, 9:43 am
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       --- Quote from: MaidstoneQuin link ---
       >
       > I don’t really think numbers will decrease massively, as
       people will still attend and support the club as it’s not as
       straight forward as just not eating in a restaurant you don’t
       like because the food isn’t worth the price tag. I do think
       another few seasons of finishing 7th but paying top dollar for
       the privilege will create more uncomfortable conversations for
       people though. I personally don’t think the club care too much
       as the STs will always sell out, but it’s clear from this season
       from gentle comments and those neutral supporters there is
       growing concern the way the club is going (which will only get
       louder)
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Do you mean the club? or the team?
       Personally, I think the club is doing great.
       The men's team didn't have a great season.
       The women's team had a good season.
       The real question that I have though - is why do I engage with
       Colin Robinson?
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       Re: Quins 2024/25 season summary
   DIR By: poorfour
       Date: June 17, 2025, 10:16 am
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       Only 7 Premier League soccer teams have won a trophy more
       recently than Quins, and yet I still see crowds turning up to
       watch Arsenal, Chelsea, Aston Villa or even Southampton (who
       haven't won anything for nearly 50 years).
       Success may help to bring in new supporters, but fans stay for
       more than trophies.
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