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#Post#: 135211--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wash my eyes!!!
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: March 17, 2025, 12:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> I don't know why you think I've "taken against him".
>
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Well, the existence of this thread, plus this bit you said in
the same post where you called him ordinary:
[Quote]Fin is "proven" against mediocre teams. He'll be found
out against the best.[/quote]
Scare quotes around proven, stating he'll be found out against
the best teams. Does seem like you've decided he's not good
enough.
#Post#: 135212--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wash my eyes!!!
DIR By: A222Quin
Date: March 17, 2025, 12:56 pm
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--- Quote from: poorfour link ---
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> Well, quite. England are very lucky to have the pool of talent
they have, and its frustrating that they haven't yet worked out
how best to use it.
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> If I come across as a Marcus partisan, it's mostly an (over)
reaction to the coverage of Fin. He's done well, and is probably
easier to fit into the team than Marcus, but he's also had his
flaws and there is a risk that his performance will dip when
opponents have had more chance to analyse his play and target
his weak spots.
>
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True and when they find weak spots no doubt elements of the
press and SM will dig in to him. I get the sensitivity to the
Marcus criticism though. Stephen Jones’s ridiculous vendetta, a
lot,of criticism based on perceived aspects of his game he
doesn’t do well when it’s often not true and getting the
Cipriani treatment when he hasn’t done any of the daft of the
field stuff that Cips did. I do think sometimes the England 10
is always looked upon as living up to Wilkinson in the eyes of
the press in particular. A rather tough-act to follow.
#Post#: 135213--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wash my eyes!!!
DIR By: Quinky
Date: March 17, 2025, 1:33 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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>
> Scare quotes around proven, stating he'll be found out against
the best teams. Does seem like you've decided he's not good
enough.
>
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Apologies if the quotation marks scared you. Maybe find a safe
space?
And I do think he'll be found out against the best teams. It's
an opinion. We're all allowed to have them, if when they don't
align with yours.
But he's a good player, no question about it.
#Post#: 135214--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wash my eyes!!!
DIR By: T-Bone
Date: March 17, 2025, 2:16 pm
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The only comparison between the two that I do find depressing is
the talk of how many tackles fin makes per match. Being a
monster tackler is very low down on my list of attributes for a
top ten. Also, Marcus doesn't shirk tackles. He's certainly not
a strong tackler but not for lack of commitment
#Post#: 135221--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wash my eyes!!!
DIR By: Simquin
Date: March 17, 2025, 7:47 pm
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--- Quote from: RodneyRegis link ---
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> Finn has been very good and suits England's style of play.
Marcus is undoubtedly a better rugby player, but I never got the
impression Steve trusted him. Had he got the chance to close out
the autumn Internationals I should think he'd have been nailed
on 10 for England and the lions. But he didn't, we lost, and
Marcus took the flack.
>
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That’s the problem. Borthwick doesn’t trust him/rate him and
either he’s too cowardly to ditch him outright or he has no idea
what to do with Marcus.
The fast ruck, dominant pack, fast ball would have suited Marcus
but he was stuck in his sacrifice position until Furbank is fit.
#Post#: 135229--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wash my eyes!!!
DIR By: Yareet
Date: March 18, 2025, 3:26 am
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--- Quote from: FishQuin link ---
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> Let’s not get carried away here. Fin suits England’s style of
play and England won. But to claim he has played very well in
any of the games so far is a real stretch. He’s been okay.
Solid. Nothing more.
>
> Against Wales his cross field kicks were too short. He missed
a couple of tackles - one of them a particularly embarrassing
attempt with his back. He only made 8 passes in total, and 1 run
(which went nowhere). He went missing for chunks of the game and
was outplayed by Ford in his cameo.
>
> That’s not playing very well. And that was against a terrible
Wales team.
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Watched (most of) the game back last night (up to Pollock's
first try so F Smith was off by then). To provide some balance:
The "back tackle" was Smith coping with a 3v2. Fin treads water
rather than committing which buys enough time for Earl (?) to
come over. Fin then gets caught in two minds which results in
him half committing and getting spun round. Earl makes the
tackle.
He also missed touch with a penalty.
For comparison, Marcus put the ball out on the full from a
clearance kick. I also chuckled when Marcus took the ball in
the backfield and Care said something like "Here we go!". Only
for Faletau to immediately tackle Marcus. Which just proves that
nobody is perfect. Except Ben Curry 😁
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Re: Wash my eyes!!!
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: March 18, 2025, 7:23 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
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> Apologies if the quotation marks scared you. Maybe find a safe
space?
>
> And I do think he'll be found out against the best teams. It's
an opinion. We're all allowed to have them, if when they don't
align with yours.
>
> But he's a good player, no question about it.
>
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Strange response. I took your opinions at face value, that's
what this entire thread is about. At no point did I try and stop
you from having an opinion, I simply wondered where it was
coming from. Thank you for clarifying.
Scare quotes don't have anything to do with being afraid, btw:
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
#Post#: 135279--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wash my eyes!!!
DIR By: Nico Wilson
Date: March 18, 2025, 9:04 am
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--- Quote from: RodneyRegis link ---
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> Finn has been very good and suits England's style of play.
Marcus is undoubtedly a better rugby player, but I never got the
impression Steve trusted him. Had he got the chance to close out
the autumn Internationals I should think he'd have been nailed
on 10 for England and the lions. But he didn't, we lost, and
Marcus took the flack.
>
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Agreed, and I’d go further - Borthwick needs to get the whole
team to play the Marcus/Quins way
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Re: Wash my eyes!!!
DIR By: Yareet
Date: March 18, 2025, 9:08 am
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--- Quote from: Nico Wilson link ---
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>
> Agreed, and I’d go further - Borthwick needs to get the whole
team to play the Marcus/Quins way
>
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Why? Bath are far and away the best team in the league
#Post#: 135295--------------------------------------------------
Re: Wash my eyes!!!
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: March 18, 2025, 11:18 am
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Russell can't play for England though ;-)
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