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       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: November 16, 2024, 1:34 pm
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       The worst thing is we probably will just about beat Japan, so
       that’s all the RFU will need, and then we will have an abysmal 6
       nations. Blink, and it’s the next WC and will be utterly shit
       with no core team developed
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       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: November 16, 2024, 1:36 pm
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       --- Quote from: MaidstoneQuin link ---
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       > Borethicko needs to go, along with about 6-7 players.
       >
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       Nah, he'll probably just recall Farrell, Ben Youngs, Mark Cueto,
       Billy Beaumont...
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       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: A222Quin
       Date: November 16, 2024, 1:37 pm
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       The subs again didn’t help matters at all. Doing the same thing
       is the definition of madness. The players don’t seem to learn.
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       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: T-Bone
       Date: November 16, 2024, 1:55 pm
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       Slade is just dross. How has he got a central contract. Genge
       offers very little. Poor scrummager but now offering little in
       the loose.
       That last 15 or so was so maddening. 4 or 5 penalties. All
       kicked into 22. Then maul stopped dead. One off runners getting
       smashed back until we concede a turnover.
       Is that coaching or just players incapable of thinking of
       something less predictable?
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       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: Quinspirational
       Date: November 16, 2024, 1:59 pm
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       I think that game has shown Borthwick and his coaching team
       aren’t up for the job
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       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
       Date: November 16, 2024, 2:07 pm
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       He’s got I think now the worst win % for the top job. RFU bias
       will protect him, but they sacked Lancaster and Johnson for less
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       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: JammyGit
       Date: November 16, 2024, 2:14 pm
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       Thought Genge was pretty good ball in hand, honestly.
       Slade continues to absolutely kill us. Steward is a carthorse.
       JvP slower than Dan Cole.
       Marcus wasn't perfect but he's still been outstanding for
       England. If he cut out the annoying errors he'd be in the
       conversation for best 10 in the world. As it is he's merely
       carrying England's attacking hopes on his shoulders.
       Sleightholme should be a fixture from now on. Underhill gave us
       plenty more than Curry, and it freed up Earl. CCS was a big
       disappointment
       The worst thing is that SA barely had to bother with this game
       and some players were well off the pace. Libbok continues to
       play against England like he's an online competition winner, and
       they still beat us by 9 at Twickenham.
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       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: T-Bone
       Date: November 16, 2024, 2:21 pm
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       In his post match interview he said he didn't see much of a
       pattern to the missed opportunities in the last 20. Unbelievable
       He also said it's a team in transition / development and loads
       of leaders have gone. Cole, george, itoje, underhill, ford,
       Slade all have a bucket full of caps. Earl, smith, LCD, Stuart,
       steward, JVP, Lawrence, dommers must all have 20-30+. Very few
       real novices
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       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: Rocker
       Date: November 16, 2024, 2:52 pm
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       --- Quote from: T-Bone link ---
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       > In his post match interview he said he didn't see much of a
       pattern to the missed opportunities in the last 20. Unbelievable
       >
       > He also said it's a team in transition / development and loads
       of leaders have gone. Cole, george, itoje, underhill, ford,
       Slade all have a bucket full of caps. Earl, smith, LCD, Stuart,
       steward, JVP, Lawrence must, dinners must all have 20-30+. Very
       few real novices
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       This 👍
       I can't believe that a bunch of players who in the main are
       pretty damn good for their clubs are so bad together for England
       🙈
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       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: T-Bone
       Date: November 16, 2024, 2:57 pm
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       George's interview equally infuriating. Says we're learning
       lessons. But they clearly aren't
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