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       England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: Quince
       Date: November 14, 2024, 8:15 am
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       FOUR CHANGES
       England team to face South Africa
       15. Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers, 34 caps)
       14. Tommy Freeman (Northampton Saints, 13 caps)
       13. Ollie Lawrence (Bath Rugby, 29 caps)
       12. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 67 caps)
       11. Ollie Sleightholme (Northampton Saints, 3 caps)
       10. Marcus Smith (Harlequins, 37 caps)
       9. Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers, 14 caps)
       1. Ellis Genge (Bristol Bears, 64 caps) – vice-captain
       2. Jamie George (Saracens, 95 caps) – captain
       3. Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, 43 caps)
       4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 86 caps) – vice-captain
       5. George Martin (Leicester Tigers, 17 caps)
       6. Chandler Cunningham-South (Harlequins, 9 caps)
       7. Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 38 caps)
       8. Ben Earl (Saracens, 35 caps) – vice-captain
       Replacements: 16. Luke Cowan-Dickie (Sale Sharks, 42 caps) 17.
       Fin Baxter (Harlequins, 4 caps) 18. Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers,
       117 caps) 19. Nick Isiekwe (Saracens, 13 caps) 20. Alex
       Dombrandt (Harlequins, 19 caps) 21. Harry Randall (Bristol
       Bears, 9 caps) 22. George Ford (Sale Sharks, 98 caps) – vice
       captain 23. Tom Roebuck (Sale Sharks, 1 cap)
       #Post#: 130222--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: Guildford Quin
       Date: November 14, 2024, 8:21 am
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       Steward/JVP/Sleighthome starting is the right call for me.
       Centres the wrong way around still and Underhill should be
       nowhere near the squad let alone starting. Borthwick’s stubborn
       refusal to play Earl at 7 and persist with Slade is baffling
       #Post#: 130224--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: RhubarbAndGustard
       Date: November 14, 2024, 8:31 am
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       --- Quote from: Neil Quinnock link ---
       >
       > Underhill should be nowhere near the squad let alone starting
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Couldn’t disagree more. Underhill is exactly what we need v SA.
       His stopping power in the tackle is world class
       #Post#: 130226--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: Rob Buchanan
       Date: November 14, 2024, 8:37 am
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       South Africa: Fassi; Kolbe, Kriel, De Allende, Arendse; Libbok,
       Williams; Nche, Mbonambi, Loux, Etzebeth, Snyman, Kolisi (capt),
       Du Toit, Wiese.
       To quote MaidstoneQuin, We are going to get battered!
       They are going to give the ball to Kolbe, who will trounce
       Slade, Lawrence and Steward! Or they will kick and Kolbe will
       chase jump and Steward will be red carded for a pathetic attempt
       to try and catch the ball.
       #Post#: 130228--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: never sleep
       Date: November 14, 2024, 9:06 am
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       --- Quote from: Rob Buchanan link ---
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       > South Africa: Fassi; Kolbe, Kriel, De Allende, Arendse;
       Libbok, Williams; Nche, Mbonambi, Loux, Etzebeth, Snyman, Kolisi
       (capt), Du Toit, Wiese.
       >
       > To quote MaidstoneQuin, We are going to get battered!
       >
       > They are going to give the ball to Kolbe, who will trounce
       Slade, Lawrence and Steward! Or they will kick and Kolbe will
       chase jump and Steward will be red carded for a pathetic attempt
       to try and catch the ball.
       >
       >
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       We should have enough to see that lot off!
       #Post#: 130231--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: Quinky
       Date: November 14, 2024, 10:33 am
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       --- Quote from: Rob Buchanan link ---
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       > South Africa: Fassi; Kolbe, Kriel, De Allende, Arendse;
       Libbok, Williams; Nche, Mbonambi, Loux, Etzebeth, Snyman, Kolisi
       (capt), Du Toit, Wiese.
       >
       > To quote MaidstoneQuin, We are going to get battered!
       >
       > They are going to give the ball to Kolbe, who will trounce
       Slade, Lawrence and Steward! Or they will kick and Kolbe will
       chase jump and Steward will be red carded for a pathetic attempt
       to try and catch the ball.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I'm optimistic, but cautious. sA haven't hit the ground running,
       and the changes are playing their first test for a while. Also,
       Libbok needs one of his better kicking games. Great to see Wilco
       there - makes you wonder how they breed those props! Fassi at
       fullback could be an interesting selection as Le Roux played
       well on Saturday. But I think they're going to give a few easier
       games to hit 100 caps then ease him out.
       One thing is for certain - they have ridiculous strength in
       depth. The players not selected would give many nations a real
       challenge.
       #Post#: 130233--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: Archquin
       Date: November 14, 2024, 10:51 am
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       thought Andre had a decent game at the weekend and now no sign
       of him !
       #Post#: 130236--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: FatQuin
       Date: November 14, 2024, 11:18 am
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       --- Quote from: Archquin link ---
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       > thought Andre had a decent game at the weekend and now no sign
       of him !
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Let’s bring him back to Quins then.
       #Post#: 130243--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: Guildford Quin
       Date: November 14, 2024, 12:42 pm
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       --- Quote from: SwielOrNoSwiel link ---
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       > Couldn’t disagree more. Underhill is exactly what we need v
       SA. His stopping power in the tackle is world class
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       2 or 3 years ago we'd be in agreement, but I think he's a bit
       off international pace now. Even the Bath fans prefer Hill &
       Pepper ahead of Underhill
       #Post#: 130244--------------------------------------------------
       Re: England v South Africa 16/11
   DIR By: 22 Dropout
       Date: November 14, 2024, 12:44 pm
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       --- Quote from: Neil Quinnock link ---
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       > ...and persist with Slade is baffling
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       By all accounts he runs the back line defence... Without him
       they would look clueless.
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