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#Post#: 130083--------------------------------------------------
Re: Squad Future
DIR By: Carbonm
Date: November 11, 2024, 6:40 am
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Agree, Northmore mustn't be our main 12. Signing a 12 has to be
a priority. Not too concerned about hooker as long as Walker,
Riley, and Musk/Head stay.
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Re: Squad Future
DIR By: never sleep
Date: November 11, 2024, 6:46 am
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--- Quote from: MaidstoneQuin link ---
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> Northmore is not a 12. We’ve never, ever won a game he’s been
12 at for a start
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This is not massively surprising stat though is it?
We had a bloke called Andre playing at 12 for the last few
seasons. (Remember him?)
Andre was the first choice 12 and if fit, was a guaranteed
starter - so, Luke tended to get pushed to 13 or the wing.
To compound it, Luke had a few injury issues over the last few
seasons. So, if you look at:
1. Games where we won over the last few seasons - Then you are
cutting half the games.
2. Games where Andre wasn't fit - You are now getting down to a
small pool of games
3. Games where Taps wasn't available - Reduces games
4. Games where Jones wasn't available - Reduces games further
3. Games where Luke was at full fitness. You are now down to a
small pool of games
From memory he has done well when coming on from the bench -
e.g. in games where Andre took a knock.
Out of interest - how many times has he started at 12?
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Re: Squad Future
DIR By: FatQuin
Date: November 11, 2024, 6:47 am
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I think the recruitment outcomes over the close season show we
have a few significant financial issues. No real surprise that
we can’t keep the squad we have as it’s one of the biggest.
Also no real surprise that players are looking to leave if they
can get loads more money elsewhere. We follow a minority sport
that has lived beyond its means for too long. Suspect whoever
has the most productive academy will do best over the coming
seasons - and we are decent in that sense - but all prem clubs
are in danger of simply becoming a stepping stone to a big move
abroad regardless of international ambitions.
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Re: Squad Future
DIR By: dinsdale
Date: November 11, 2024, 7:24 am
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--- Quote from: FatQuin link ---
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> I think the recruitment outcomes over the close season show we
have a few significant financial issues. No real surprise that
we can’t keep the squad we have as it’s one of the biggest.
Also no real surprise that players are looking to leave if they
can get loads more money elsewhere. We follow a minority sport
that has lived beyond its means for too long. Suspect whoever
has the most productive academy will do best over the coming
seasons - and we are decent in that sense - but all prem clubs
are in danger of simply becoming a stepping stone to a big move
abroad regardless of international ambitions.
>
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This looks like the salary cap working as intended - even if it
sucks that we're losing players we would like to keep.
If we're a stepping stone for players moving to France then so
be it. It's up to our league to fix its own financial issues.
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Re: Squad Future
DIR By: honkytonk
Date: November 11, 2024, 8:27 am
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Bit of over reaction re leavers imo. Much is still only rumours
and if they do turn out true, id wait until we know who the
replacements are before panicking. We spend up to the cap, we
know that. I dont think you can say there is any evidence that
we have financial issues or that something is going on behind
the scenes. Its a short career, players will take all the money
they can get and good luck to them. Who wouldnt switch jobs to
double/treble their money, no matter how settled or content you
are currently.
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Re: Squad Future
DIR By: KentQuin
Date: November 11, 2024, 8:53 am
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This is to be expected. A few factors:
1. Wasps, Irish and Worcester players plus former Welsh regions
players were snapped up on the cheap and will be looking for
significantly improved contract terms
2. Central RFU contracts will have put some players noses out of
joint. England selection is becoming increasingly a closed shop
with premiership form ignored. It's harder to get dropped from
the squad then it is to get selected....
3. Reduced number of league games will likely result in smaller
squads. When you have a good youth system, it's going to be
impossible to keep them all
4. The lure of a big payday in France
All the above makes retention and recruitment a tricky balancing
act.
Our recruitment has been (on the whole) very good over the last
few seasons. So I'm not panicking.
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Re: Squad Future
DIR By: FatQuin
Date: November 11, 2024, 11:08 am
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Agree. Not panicking either. We’ve been a mid-table team for
most of our existence and so I wonder whether the reliance on
youth development will actually work in our favour in time.
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Re: Squad Future
DIR By: Yareet
Date: November 11, 2024, 12:38 pm
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To play devil's advocate (because why else am I here?) the
development of academy talent has been ... patchy. My aim isn't
to be provocative but rather to give another perspective.
I've been looking through an all-academy 23 and I reckon there
are some very obvious gaps:
3 - I think the only actual 3 who is an academy product is still
in the academy (hence playing Marler out of position)
Second row subs - 3 of the 5 front-line second rows are imports
Scrum half - Friday looks like he'll alleviate that but a team
would still need another
15 - I went with Anderson who is 4th (?) choice
There's also very few of the current Quins players who've made
it from the academy to international honours. Baxter, Marler,
Lamb & Smith are (I think) the only ones.
Ultimately, of the 23 I went with, 9 would be current academy
players with varying levels of Prem experience. Happy to be
corrected but my 23 was:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20.
21.
22.
23.
Naturally, I'll compare with Sale who I reckon would struggle at
second row (Rouban Birch is an 8 who started at second row) and
back 3 (can I play Raffi there and bring in Nye Thomas as the
spare 9?). Nevertheless, we'd still have only 3 current academy
players and 9 internationals (7 recent).
Rodd *
Taylor *
Asher
Beaumont
Birch
Ben *
Dugdale
Tom *
Quirke *
Curtis
Reed *
Bedlow
Addison *
Roebuck *
Carpenter
Caine
MacIntyre
Harper
Burrow
Woodman
Warr *
James
Ene
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Re: Squad Future
DIR By: Fursty
Date: November 11, 2024, 12:47 pm
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I think you could reasonably add Northmore and Dombrandt to the
list of home grown players.
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Re: Squad Future
DIR By: Yareet
Date: November 11, 2024, 1:29 pm
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--- Quote from: Fursty link ---
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> I think you could reasonably add Northmore and Dombrandt to
the list of home grown players.
>
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I originally put Northmore in, tbh but only because I forgot he
was another Cardiff Met product.
I’ve tried to be pretty strict so haven’t included the likes of
Bamber for us who was stacking shelves when we brought him back
to rugby. He was 21 at the time so I think still academy.
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