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#Post#: 130162--------------------------------------------------
Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: QuincyJones
Date: November 13, 2024, 4:10 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> Nobody thinks he's a tactical genius now. Like nobody is
saying Gareth Edwards is a brilliant scrum half now.
>
> As for SA, your exact words were "South Africa are back to
back world champions purely because they are the most powerful
team on the planet." Purely power, eh?
😂😂😂
>
--- End Quote ---
Well exactly, because he's not winning. Put Rassie in charge of
Wales and he'd no longer be a 'tactical genius'. Not sure your
Edwards analogy works, but nice effort.
As I said, SA have some great players but it's their power that
sets them apart. Not really sure what you think is funny? Take
away their power upfront and all the skill in the world wouldn't
have won them the last 2 world cups. So, yes, they are champions
purely because of their power.
You seem to be separating being a good player and being
powerful. Why can't power be an attribute that makes a good
player a better player? Because that's exactly what it does.
#Post#: 130164--------------------------------------------------
Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: November 13, 2024, 4:22 am
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South Africa. Sponsored by Tesco. They've got the Power.
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Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 13, 2024, 10:48 am
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--- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
>
> Well exactly, because he's not winning. Put Rassie in charge
of Wales and he'd no longer be a 'tactical genius'. Not sure
your Edwards analogy works, but nice effort.
>
> As I said, SA have some great players but it's their power
that sets them apart. Not really sure what you think is funny?
Take away their power upfront and all the skill in the world
wouldn't have won them the last 2 world cups. So, yes, they are
champions purely because of their power.
>
> You seem to be separating being a good player and being
powerful. Why can't power be an attribute that makes a good
player a better player? Because that's exactly what it does.
>
--- End Quote ---
Using your logic, SA would have won the world cup if they had
England's backs, because it's all about forward power.
Rassie wouldn't make Wales into world beaters. But he'd make
them a better team. And no, not just by giving them power.
You seem to have a borderline fetish for power. Power doesn't
make a good player into an excellent player. It makes them a
powerful good player. Power is a useful attribute in a back row
player. But three powerful players won't necessarily be a great
back row. You need a mix and a balance of skills.
#Post#: 130190--------------------------------------------------
Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: QuincyJones
Date: November 13, 2024, 2:42 pm
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> Using your logic, SA would have won the world cup if they had
England's backs, because it's all about forward power.
>
> Rassie wouldn't make Wales into world beaters. But he'd make
them a better team. And no, not just by giving them power.
>
> You seem to have a borderline fetish for power. Power doesn't
make a good player into an excellent player. It makes them a
powerful good player. Power is a useful attribute in a back row
player. But three powerful players won't necessarily be a great
back row. You need a mix and a balance of skills.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think SA probably could have won the world cup with England's
backs. The forwards provided the platform for everything those
backs did.
Rassie wouldn't be able to do a thing with Wales. I'm not sure
Jesus Christ himself could.
I think you'll find it's international selectors that have a
fetish for power! I'm just capable of noticing it.
Disagree, if you're good AND you have power you're objectively a
better player. Josua Tuisova is a worse player if he can't sit
players on their @rses like he does.
Although I totally agree that three random, powerful backrowers
don't automatically make a good back row. But I didn't ever
suggest they did. You still have to be a very good player and as
you say, have a balance of skills... I just suggested that power
was the difference, which it is.
#Post#: 130194--------------------------------------------------
Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 13, 2024, 3:15 pm
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--- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
>
> I think SA probably could have won the world cup with
England's backs. The forwards provided the platform for
everything those backs did.
>
> Rassie wouldn't be able to do a thing with Wales. I'm not sure
Jesus Christ himself could.
>
> I think you'll find it's international selectors that have a
fetish for power! I'm just capable of noticing it.
>
> Disagree, if you're good AND you have power you're objectively
a better player. Josua Tuisova is a worse player if he can't sit
players on their @rses like he does.
>
> Although I totally agree that three random, powerful
backrowers don't automatically make a good back row. But I
didn't ever suggest they did. You still have to be a very good
player and as you say, have a balance of skills... I just
suggested that power was the difference, which it is.
>
--- End Quote ---
Once again, you stated that South Africa "...are champions
purely because of their power." If it just came down to power,
teams like Samoa and Tonga would be at the top of the tree.
They're not. Feel free to check.
As for SA winning with England's backs, that's even more
hilarious! Forwards winning clean ball, only for Farrell to kick
it away...
#Post#: 130196--------------------------------------------------
Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: QuincyJones
Date: November 13, 2024, 5:46 pm
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> Once again, you stated that South Africa "...are champions
purely because of their power." If it just came down to power,
teams like Samoa and Tonga would be at the top of the tree.
They're not. Feel free to check.
>
> As for SA winning with England's backs, that's even more
hilarious! Forwards winning clean ball, only for Farrell to kick
it away...
>
--- End Quote ---
Purely because of their power being the difference. You can have
two skilled sides up against each other, and the more powerful
of the two will generally win at international level. I know you
don't really think I'm saying you can just get 15 donkeys and
win, you're just deliberately misinterpreting my words. But no
bother, I've spelled it out for you now.
Well, when SA won the 2023 RWC semi-final by one point, there
was one try scored by RG Snyman, a (very powerful, I might add)
forward. Aside from that it was 4 goal kicks apiece. Looks like
the backs were a fairly even match up to me.
#Post#: 130199--------------------------------------------------
Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: deadlyfrom5yardsout
Date: November 14, 2024, 2:07 am
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I need to make an urgent call. Anybody seen an empty phonebox
anywhere?
#Post#: 130221--------------------------------------------------
Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 14, 2024, 8:19 am
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--- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
>
> Purely because of their power being the difference. You can
have two skilled sides up against each other, and the more
powerful of the two will generally win at international level. I
know you don't really think I'm saying you can just get 15
donkeys and win, you're just deliberately misinterpreting my
words. But no bother, I've spelled it out for you now.
>
> Well, when SA won the 2023 RWC semi-final by one point, there
was one try scored by RG Snyman, a (very powerful, I might add)
forward. Aside from that it was 4 goal kicks apiece. Looks like
the backs were a fairly even match up to me.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm pretty sure a lot more happened in the game than a try and
som penalty kicks. But you focus on the power. It seems to mean
a lot to you.
#Post#: 130223--------------------------------------------------
Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: QuincyJones
Date: November 14, 2024, 8:29 am
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> I'm pretty sure a lot more happened in the game than a try and
som penalty kicks. But you focus on the power. It seems to mean
a lot to you.
>
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It means a lot to selectors of international teams, for good
reason, as much as you try to pretend it isn't a factor in
achieving results 👍
#Post#: 130230--------------------------------------------------
Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 14, 2024, 10:24 am
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--- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
>
> It means a lot to selectors of international teams, for good
reason, as much as you try to pretend it isn't a factor in
achieving results 👍
>
--- End Quote ---
Power is a factor. Never denied it.
"Power is the only reason they won" - your view, I don't agree.
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