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Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: quinalan
Date: November 10, 2024, 4:53 am
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The trouble with central contracts is the danger of players
being rewarded for mediocrity while better players don't ever
get a look in. See England Cricket..!!
#Post#: 130015--------------------------------------------------
Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: A222Quin
Date: November 10, 2024, 5:03 am
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There’s pros and cons to central contracts. Works well for
Ireland and NZ but then everything is union controlled there.
England are between a rock and a hard place. Need some element
of certainty to make it worthwhile for the top players to stay
with the cap but England’s player pool is sizeable so someone
from outside the squad will always be making the ‘form’
argument. Unless it’s at 12 where we don’t actually create any
players.
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Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: JammyGit
Date: November 10, 2024, 6:06 am
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--- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
>
> Evans is awesome at club level but I don't think he'd be as
effective at international. He's not the biggest and doesn't
have the ferocity in contact that an Underhill or Curry has,
which these days is 80% of the game in the back row at that
level.
>
> Would be gutted to see him leave Quins but you can't begrudge
him the payday one bit!
>
--- End Quote ---
He's also unfortunate to be playing in an era when teams are
incredibly large. If he was playing late 2000s / early 2010s
he'd be tearing it up at international level.
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Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 10, 2024, 8:33 am
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--- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
>
> Evans is awesome at club level but I don't think he'd be as
effective at international. He's not the biggest and doesn't
have the ferocity in contact that an Underhill or Curry has,
which these days is 80% of the game in the back row at that
level.
>
> Would be gutted to see him leave Quins but you can't begrudge
him the payday one bit!
>
--- End Quote ---
He outplays the bigger guys every week. There's only one way to
find out how he'd fare... Sadly, I'm certain Borthwick will
ignore talent, consistency, firm and stats, and will continue to
produce mediocre sides with mediocre results.
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Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: MaidstoneQuin
Date: November 10, 2024, 9:54 am
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The biggest obstacle for Evans making it for England is he
dosent play for a consistent top 4 team, and then hooter and
holler at every breakdown win.
Earl isn’t even the best 7 in the country. I’d sack him off and
have Willis at 8 and Pearson at 7 for SA. I think if he was here
Jack Willis would be in with a shout
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Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: Quinspirational
Date: November 10, 2024, 10:15 am
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It is not now an England side, it is Borthwick RFC now that the
players are being paid a salary to play for that team. I can’t
see how any other players can break into the side. There needs
to be more transparency on the salary being made to players to
secure their services to the “national team”. There are a lot of
journeymen players who need to be paid more so that the game can
attract more players and not just a handful of players who
benefit from the wealth of the English RFU.
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Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: QuincyJones
Date: November 10, 2024, 1:41 pm
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--- Quote from: JammyGit link ---
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> He's also unfortunate to be playing in an era when teams are
incredibly large. If he was playing late 2000s / early 2010s
he'd be tearing it up at international level.
>
--- End Quote ---
100%. Heinrich Brussow came to mind!
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Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: QuincyJones
Date: November 10, 2024, 1:50 pm
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--- Quote from: Quinky link ---
>
> He outplays the bigger guys every week. There's only one way
to find out how he'd fare... Sadly, I'm certain Borthwick will
ignore talent, consistency, firm and stats, and will continue to
produce mediocre sides with mediocre results.
>
--- End Quote ---
He might outperform some big guys playing in the prem on some
key metrics. But when you're up against a whole team full of big
guys in an international fixture it's a different ball game
altogether. Power becomes the most valuable metric and unless
you have that in abundance (at least in the pack) your overall
effectiveness becomes severely diminished. I'd selfishly love
him to get an England shot as a Quins fan but if I look at it
objectively, I can totally see why he's not being given the
opportunity.
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Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: Quinky
Date: November 11, 2024, 7:08 am
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--- Quote from: QuincyJones link ---
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> He might outperform some big guys playing in the prem on some
key metrics. But when you're up against a whole team full of big
guys in an international fixture it's a different ball game
altogether. Power becomes the most valuable metric and unless
you have that in abundance (at least in the pack) your overall
effectiveness becomes severely diminished. I'd selfishly love
him to get an England shot as a Quins fan but if I look at it
objectively, I can totally see why he's not being given the
opportunity.
>
--- End Quote ---
According to Wikipedia, he's 1.83m and 102kg.
Pieter-Steph du Toit is 2m and 115kg. Big difference.
Ben Earl (35 caps) is 1.86m and 107kg. Minimal difference.
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Re: Will Evans > Pro D2
DIR By: quinalan
Date: November 11, 2024, 7:31 am
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Is Fin Smith fit to play on saturday? He's lost a lot of
gametime recently, but Id rather him in the 23 than Ford. What
about Sam Underhill also? That guy gives everything for England.
The one Quins lad who I feel would do really well for England is
Jack Kenningham. Should Dingwall replace Slade? Should Steward
have the 15 shirt back? Its not Borthwicks fault that we are
short of quality props.
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